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Microsoft Space Simulator (1994)

73 points by omnibrain 5y ago

fao_ 5y ago
If you're interested in this you will want to check out the amazing Orbiter, which has been going for about 15 years now: http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/ http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/ It says 2016, but there's an up to date Beta version on the downloads page, and it's been receiving updates since at least 2020, if not later.
- dddw 5y ago
  Good tip! Seems to work with wine as well https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2269 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...
OJFord 5y ago
> Downloading game file 1 of 1 x/8.2MB > © 1994 The emulation must be 8x the original right?
- walrus01 5y ago
  Towards the end of popular software distribution on 1.44MB floppy disks, and when cd-rom became more commonplace in peoples' PCs, it was not super rare for a game to come on five, six or eight 1.44MB disks.
  - macksd 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure I had one of Sierra's King Quest games on a series of 12 disks (though they might have been 5.25" 512kb floppies). You'd walk from one screen to another and be met with "Please insert disk 8 of 12".
    - walrus01 5y ago
      Most of the games I remember from that time would only run from an installed folder on a HDD, and came with an install script to unpack a multi-disk-spanned compressed set of files from the floppies. This was presuming that you had something like a 40 to 60MB hard drive in your PC, or larger, and wanted to dedicate 10MB of it to the new expensive game you just purchased.
      - coding123 5y ago
        Yep, remember that time. It is completely nuts to me that those same games that were 13 "the hard floppies" that took hours to install can now run within a few seconds of visiting a web page, let alone RUN in said web page.
    - coding123 5y ago
      I could be totally off my rocker, but weren't the 5.25 1.2 MB?
      - walrus01 5y ago
        The original IBM PC standard for a double sided 5.25 disk had a formatted (FAT12???) capacity of 360KB. By around 1987 this was replaced by the 1.2MB standard, and by 1992 or so the 3.5" floppy was the preferred format. For a long time any reasonably specced x86 clone desktop PC would come with both a 5.25 1.2MB and 3.5 1.44MB drive mounted in it.
        gattilorenz 5y ago
        > 1992 or so the 3.5" floppy was the preferred format 3.5" disks/drives could also be 720KB, I have an 8086 from Olivetti with a 360KB and a 720 KB drive. I know 2880 kbyte disks and drives existed too (they used to be mentioned in every BIOS) , but I never saw a computer with one.
        geocrasher 5y ago
  - OJFord 5y ago
    Hm, fair enough. I remember that happening with CDs before/at the start of DVDs, but the floppies I had/remember (later than '94) were just simple enough I suppose (Lemmings, Prince of Persia, Mahjong).
    - II2II 5y ago
      It seems as though there were always games that demanded multiple floppies or CDs or DVDs. Games for the Apple II and Commodore 64 would frequently require flipping the disk or inserting another floppy. PC games often required installation from multiple floppies before CD-ROM drives were commonplace. Multi-CD games were popping up as CD-ROM drives were becoming popular. I'd have to dig around Mobygames to come up with specific examples for each case, but 7th Guest (1993) came on multiple CD's and King's Quest V (1990) came on a stack of floppies.
    - bzzzt 5y ago
      The 'triple A' games of the time sometimes used the amount of floppy disks as a sort of status symbol (11 disks of content! ;) ) I believe those games were mostly graphic adventures (especially Sierra's), or productivity software that came with lots of clip-art, fonts etc.
    - lewispollard 5y ago
      I remember installing Windows 95 from floppies. 21 of them!
  - JonathonW 5y ago
    1994’s also late enough it could’ve shipped on CD-ROM, either exclusively or as an option in addition to floppies for those with the right hardware. As a kid, I had a bunch of DOS games on CD from around that era.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    If I recall right a version of Office came on about 45 floppies. You were screwed if you had an error on disk 43. For games I remember Star Trek 25th anniversary on 7 floppies, using 1/4 of my hard drive.
causality0 5y ago
Oh nice. I really hope they bring other Microsoft Home titles to the Archive. I keep an old 32-bit laptop exclusively to run titles like Microsoft Dinosaurs that just don't work right on a 64-bit processor.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  Why not just run Windows 32 bit in a VM?
  - app4soft 5y ago
    Why not just run Windows 32 bit in WINE inside WSL2 under Windows 10 64 bit?[0,1] [0] https://liliputing.com/2019/08/wine-on-windows-lets-you-run-windows-apps-on-windows-through-windows-subsystem-for-linux.html https://liliputing.com/2019/08/wine-on-windows-lets-you-run-... [1] https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/607714.html https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/607714.html
  - causality0 5y ago
    It's laggy and unpleasant. While it's almost certainly due to my own ignorance, I've never gotten a VM of Windows 95/98 to be anything near as responsive and smooth as it was on 25-year-old hardware, not to mention the goalposts seem to keep moving and every few years I find my VM setup is no longer compatible with my current version of Windows. At the moment running Windows 98SE on Ryzen is totally broken, with a dozen different potential fixes none of which work for everyone. VMs are just one big pile of bullshit after another if all you want to do is run a handful of classic software titles. If Archive.org took care of that whole aspect for me it'd be nice.
thelittlenag 5y ago
I had this "game" growing up! As I recall, since I guess it has been 25 years, wow, only the preset autopilot stuff was something I could do. I recall trying to fly from Earth to Mars, or something, and getting very frustrated. I was too young to know that rockets just don't work like video games depict.
coding123 5y ago
The other thing that's kinda missing with these emulations is that back in the day, most PCs would kinda be useless without some kind of Joystick. Gosh, I see this stuff and I just want to be 10 years old again. (And not retain my memory - otherwise I will be a crazy guy on the street corner yelling about the virus in 2020)
- app4soft 5y ago
  > Gosh, I see this stuff and I just want to be 10 years old again. “42”.[0,1] [0] https://sourceforge.net/projects/fortytwospacecraftsimulation/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/fortytwospacecraftsimulatio... [1] https://software.nasa.gov/software/GSC-16720-1 https://software.nasa.gov/software/GSC-16720-1
bparsons 5y ago
One of my favourite games of the era. It could really use a reboot.

73 points by omnibrain 5y ago

fao_ 5y ago

If you're interested in this you will want to check out the amazing Orbiter, which has been going for about 15 years now: http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/ http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/ It says 2016, but there's an up to date Beta version on the downloads page, and it's been receiving updates since at least 2020, if not later.

dddw 5y ago
Good tip! Seems to work with wine as well https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2269 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...

OJFord 5y ago

walrus01 5y ago
Towards the end of popular software distribution on 1.44MB floppy disks, and when cd-rom became more commonplace in peoples' PCs, it was not super rare for a game to come on five, six or eight 1.44MB disks.
- macksd 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure I had one of Sierra's King Quest games on a series of 12 disks (though they might have been 5.25" 512kb floppies). You'd walk from one screen to another and be met with "Please insert disk 8 of 12".
  - walrus01 5y ago
    Most of the games I remember from that time would only run from an installed folder on a HDD, and came with an install script to unpack a multi-disk-spanned compressed set of files from the floppies. This was presuming that you had something like a 40 to 60MB hard drive in your PC, or larger, and wanted to dedicate 10MB of it to the new expensive game you just purchased.
    - coding123 5y ago
      Yep, remember that time. It is completely nuts to me that those same games that were 13 "the hard floppies" that took hours to install can now run within a few seconds of visiting a web page, let alone RUN in said web page.
  - coding123 5y ago
    I could be totally off my rocker, but weren't the 5.25 1.2 MB?
    - walrus01 5y ago
      The original IBM PC standard for a double sided 5.25 disk had a formatted (FAT12???) capacity of 360KB. By around 1987 this was replaced by the 1.2MB standard, and by 1992 or so the 3.5" floppy was the preferred format. For a long time any reasonably specced x86 clone desktop PC would come with both a 5.25 1.2MB and 3.5 1.44MB drive mounted in it.
      - gattilorenz 5y ago
        > 1992 or so the 3.5" floppy was the preferred format 3.5" disks/drives could also be 720KB, I have an 8086 from Olivetti with a 360KB and a 720 KB drive. I know 2880 kbyte disks and drives existed too (they used to be mentioned in every BIOS) , but I never saw a computer with one.
        geocrasher 5y ago
- OJFord 5y ago
  Hm, fair enough. I remember that happening with CDs before/at the start of DVDs, but the floppies I had/remember (later than '94) were just simple enough I suppose (Lemmings, Prince of Persia, Mahjong).
  - II2II 5y ago
    It seems as though there were always games that demanded multiple floppies or CDs or DVDs. Games for the Apple II and Commodore 64 would frequently require flipping the disk or inserting another floppy. PC games often required installation from multiple floppies before CD-ROM drives were commonplace. Multi-CD games were popping up as CD-ROM drives were becoming popular. I'd have to dig around Mobygames to come up with specific examples for each case, but 7th Guest (1993) came on multiple CD's and King's Quest V (1990) came on a stack of floppies.
  - bzzzt 5y ago
    The 'triple A' games of the time sometimes used the amount of floppy disks as a sort of status symbol (11 disks of content! ;) ) I believe those games were mostly graphic adventures (especially Sierra's), or productivity software that came with lots of clip-art, fonts etc.
  - lewispollard 5y ago
    I remember installing Windows 95 from floppies. 21 of them!
- JonathonW 5y ago
  1994’s also late enough it could’ve shipped on CD-ROM, either exclusively or as an option in addition to floppies for those with the right hardware. As a kid, I had a bunch of DOS games on CD from around that era.
- midasuni 5y ago
  If I recall right a version of Office came on about 45 floppies. You were screwed if you had an error on disk 43. For games I remember Star Trek 25th anniversary on 7 floppies, using 1/4 of my hard drive.

causality0 5y ago

Oh nice. I really hope they bring other Microsoft Home titles to the Archive. I keep an old 32-bit laptop exclusively to run titles like Microsoft Dinosaurs that just don't work right on a 64-bit processor.

colejohnson66 5y ago
Why not just run Windows 32 bit in a VM?
- app4soft 5y ago
  Why not just run Windows 32 bit in WINE inside WSL2 under Windows 10 64 bit?[0,1] [0] https://liliputing.com/2019/08/wine-on-windows-lets-you-run-windows-apps-on-windows-through-windows-subsystem-for-linux.html https://liliputing.com/2019/08/wine-on-windows-lets-you-run-... [1] https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/607714.html https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/607714.html
- causality0 5y ago
  It's laggy and unpleasant. While it's almost certainly due to my own ignorance, I've never gotten a VM of Windows 95/98 to be anything near as responsive and smooth as it was on 25-year-old hardware, not to mention the goalposts seem to keep moving and every few years I find my VM setup is no longer compatible with my current version of Windows. At the moment running Windows 98SE on Ryzen is totally broken, with a dozen different potential fixes none of which work for everyone. VMs are just one big pile of bullshit after another if all you want to do is run a handful of classic software titles. If Archive.org took care of that whole aspect for me it'd be nice.

thelittlenag 5y ago

I had this "game" growing up! As I recall, since I guess it has been 25 years, wow, only the preset autopilot stuff was something I could do. I recall trying to fly from Earth to Mars, or something, and getting very frustrated. I was too young to know that rockets just don't work like video games depict.

coding123 5y ago

The other thing that's kinda missing with these emulations is that back in the day, most PCs would kinda be useless without some kind of Joystick. Gosh, I see this stuff and I just want to be 10 years old again. (And not retain my memory - otherwise I will be a crazy guy on the street corner yelling about the virus in 2020)

app4soft 5y ago
> Gosh, I see this stuff and I just want to be 10 years old again. “42”.[0,1] [0] https://sourceforge.net/projects/fortytwospacecraftsimulation/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/fortytwospacecraftsimulatio... [1] https://software.nasa.gov/software/GSC-16720-1 https://software.nasa.gov/software/GSC-16720-1

bparsons 5y ago

One of my favourite games of the era. It could really use a reboot.