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Lol this was my first reaction as well, they now have a nation-state on their ass. But that being said its not impossible that this was just a cover for a Russi

Lol this was my first reaction as well, they now have a nation-state on their ass. But that being said its not impossible that this was just a cover for a Russian state-sponsored attempt on US infra

peteretep 5y ago
"nation-state" is not just a fancy infosec word for country, and there's some debate as to whether the USA constitutes an actual nation state, rather than a state.
- maxqin1 5y ago
  > A nation state is a state in which a great majority shares the same culture and is conscious of it. It has been described as a political unit where the state and nation are congruent. It is a more precise concept than "country", since a country does not need to have a predominant ethnic group. [1] Interesting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state
- solipsism 5y ago
  nation-state" is not just a fancy infosec word for country, This is pedantic and adds no value. In what sense could the precise definition of "nation state" matter? in this context everyone understands the phrase in exactly the way it's meant -- a resourceful national government.
  - Siira 5y ago
    :thums-up: Some people can’t stop fighting “blasphemy,” even if they aren’t in a classic religion.
- l33t2328 5y ago
  The USA is absolutely a nation state. Cocal-cola, mcdonalds, Christmas, enlgish, etc. are well dispersed throughout the entire population. We have a uniform culture, although not as uniform as much smaller countries, but uniform nonetheless.
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    Arguably the "nation" of the USA extends into England, Australia, Israel and a few other places which have taken a lot of the culture.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    > Cocal-cola, mcdonalds, Christmas, english These are well dispersed throughout the world...
    - throwaway316943 5y ago
      Cultural dominance isn’t an argument against national cohesion.
- pjc50 5y ago
  We regret to inform you that language is mutable.
  - ehnto 5y ago
    Now introducing, TypeLang! A strictly typed spoken language with core emotional concepts built into the standard library and immutablity as default. Easily transpiled into dozens of different languages, such as English, Japanese, JavaScript, and Smooth Jazz.
    - 7952 5y ago
      We really need SI units for emotions. Something that can be based on reproducible observations.
      - anticensor 5y ago
        A megasophia of wisdom.
    - zie 5y ago
      see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto not exactly what you are looking for, but :) Also French has an official body that authorizes words.
vkou 5y ago
Yes, because the Russian state has nothing better to do then inconvenience the operation of a foreign fuel pipeline for a few days.
- that_guy_iain 5y ago
  Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. And who says it's just to inconvenience them? There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner.
  - vkou 5y ago
    > Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? > There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner. While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that.
    - that_guy_iain 5y ago
      > By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? By lots of countreies. The US charged 4 chinese military officers for hacking Equifax. > While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that. You seem to think that it would require multiple things to fall into place to benefit a foreign country. Say you want to manipulate the price of the fuel. Increasing the costs of transport would do that.
      - vkou 5y ago
        Hacking Equifax[1] makes sense, because it directly useful for intelligence work. Find people of interest who have credit problems, and lean on them. [2] This isn't even a blip on the radar of global fuel prices. It is completely lost in the noise. [3] [1] Or the OPM, since it was kind enough to have lists of 'all spies operating abroad' on its intranet. Whoops. [2] I mean, you could also just pose as a landlord or employer, and ask for credit checks on them, it costs ~$30 per query, but it is what it is. [3] If the FSB really wants to increase demand for fuel, they should try stalling a junker or two on an interstate bridge... Imagine the fuel wasted from all the cars idling, or taking detours!
Arcturis 5y ago
If I were running the Russian hacking center in charge of pwning US infrastructure, I'd be pissed as hell. This is like getting vaccinated -- all of a sudden we're going to take this seriously and patch a bunch of exploits that they've had ready to go.
- murph-almighty 5y ago
  Maybe this gang doesn't need to worry about the US going after it, it needs to worry about the FSB going after it for screwing up its game plan...

Lol this was my first reaction as well, they now have a nation-state on their ass. But that being said its not impossible that this was just a cover for a Russian state-sponsored attempt on US infra

peteretep 5y ago

"nation-state" is not just a fancy infosec word for country, and there's some debate as to whether the USA constitutes an actual nation state, rather than a state.

maxqin1 5y ago
> A nation state is a state in which a great majority shares the same culture and is conscious of it. It has been described as a political unit where the state and nation are congruent. It is a more precise concept than "country", since a country does not need to have a predominant ethnic group. [1] Interesting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state
solipsism 5y ago
nation-state" is not just a fancy infosec word for country, This is pedantic and adds no value. In what sense could the precise definition of "nation state" matter? in this context everyone understands the phrase in exactly the way it's meant -- a resourceful national government.
- Siira 5y ago
  :thums-up: Some people can’t stop fighting “blasphemy,” even if they aren’t in a classic religion.
l33t2328 5y ago
The USA is absolutely a nation state. Cocal-cola, mcdonalds, Christmas, enlgish, etc. are well dispersed throughout the entire population. We have a uniform culture, although not as uniform as much smaller countries, but uniform nonetheless.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  Arguably the "nation" of the USA extends into England, Australia, Israel and a few other places which have taken a lot of the culture.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  > Cocal-cola, mcdonalds, Christmas, english These are well dispersed throughout the world...
  - throwaway316943 5y ago
    Cultural dominance isn’t an argument against national cohesion.
pjc50 5y ago
We regret to inform you that language is mutable.
- ehnto 5y ago
  Now introducing, TypeLang! A strictly typed spoken language with core emotional concepts built into the standard library and immutablity as default. Easily transpiled into dozens of different languages, such as English, Japanese, JavaScript, and Smooth Jazz.
  - 7952 5y ago
    We really need SI units for emotions. Something that can be based on reproducible observations.
    - anticensor 5y ago
      A megasophia of wisdom.
  - zie 5y ago
    see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto not exactly what you are looking for, but :) Also French has an official body that authorizes words.

vkou 5y ago

Yes, because the Russian state has nothing better to do then inconvenience the operation of a foreign fuel pipeline for a few days.

that_guy_iain 5y ago
Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. And who says it's just to inconvenience them? There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner.
- vkou 5y ago
  > Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? > There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner. While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that.
  - that_guy_iain 5y ago
    > By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? By lots of countreies. The US charged 4 chinese military officers for hacking Equifax. > While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that. You seem to think that it would require multiple things to fall into place to benefit a foreign country. Say you want to manipulate the price of the fuel. Increasing the costs of transport would do that.
    - vkou 5y ago
      Hacking Equifax[1] makes sense, because it directly useful for intelligence work. Find people of interest who have credit problems, and lean on them. [2] This isn't even a blip on the radar of global fuel prices. It is completely lost in the noise. [3] [1] Or the OPM, since it was kind enough to have lists of 'all spies operating abroad' on its intranet. Whoops. [2] I mean, you could also just pose as a landlord or employer, and ask for credit checks on them, it costs ~$30 per query, but it is what it is. [3] If the FSB really wants to increase demand for fuel, they should try stalling a junker or two on an interstate bridge... Imagine the fuel wasted from all the cars idling, or taking detours!

Arcturis 5y ago

If I were running the Russian hacking center in charge of pwning US infrastructure, I'd be pissed as hell. This is like getting vaccinated -- all of a sudden we're going to take this seriously and patch a bunch of exploits that they've had ready to go.

murph-almighty 5y ago
Maybe this gang doesn't need to worry about the US going after it, it needs to worry about the FSB going after it for screwing up its game plan...