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During lockdown I was feeling pretty burnt out myself which got me thinking: why are basically all jobs 9-5, 5 days per week? Why is there no variation on this

During lockdown I was feeling pretty burnt out myself which got me thinking: why are basically all jobs 9-5, 5 days per week? Why is there no variation on this model? It annoyed me so much that I decided to create https://4dayweek.io/ https://4dayweek.io/ - Software Engineering jobs with a better work / life balance

nceasy 5y ago
man I just heard about your site few days ago and find it dope. I hope it to have some more data scientist/ML jobs any time soon!
- philmcp 5y ago
  Cheers mate - really appreciate it! More jobs (e.g ML) getting added soon, just need to convince more companies to consider applications for a 4 day week
kar5pt 5y ago
How do these companies scale down the workload for 4 day a week employees? Estimates in the software field are based on intuition. I could easily see this becoming, "get 5 days of work done in 4 days and get paid less for it" if the people involved aren't used to estimating based on 4 day work weeks.
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  Can you elaborate on your context maybe? Asking because to me this intuitively doesn't make sense but my context is agile software development with sprint and story points. Since story points are a relative complexity measure they don't care about how long the work week is. The velocity measured over each sprint in these points also doesn't. Velocity is just an average number of observed story points delivered per time period. How many days were 'work days' and which, doesn't really matter.
  - nceasy 5y ago
    The company I work for runs almost in the same way, the difference is that we have a 40h/week working hours as a "reference", which is pure BS since everyone end up working easily 45+ hours/week.
klyrs 5y ago
Do you intend for the site to be mobile friendly? Couldn't see hardly anything except a menu and there's a little "agree" button that makes me think that the cookie notification is getting hidden by the menu
- philmcp 5y ago
  Ah damn that sucks, what mobile / browser are you on? Mobile works ok for me, but then again I've only tested it on 1 phone / browser (!)
  - klyrs 5y ago
    Firefox/android, 360x720
proc0 5y ago
I've been asking this for decades, because I hate rush hour. It's now more obvious it used to be a huge problem with an easy solution... employers need to give employees more options as to when to work. Synchronizing 9-5 is incredibly short-sighted and puts so much strain on the system for no reason. Many roles don't need that window of time and could easily open things up for those that really need those times. I really hope 9-5 goes away and people just "show up" to work for meetings and maybe agreed office hours of some kind.
coffexx 5y ago
It’s just the socially accepted pseudo standard. Shorthand to avoid complexity. Where I’m at 10am to 4pm are the core hours and the rest is flexible. Overtime can be recouped in half days or full days off if you’ve organised appropriately with the team. My suspicion is that it’s simply easier to make disgruntled noises generally about 9-5 than actually negotiating seriously at the smaller end of the scale on behalf of you or your team.

nceasy 5y ago

man I just heard about your site few days ago and find it dope. I hope it to have some more data scientist/ML jobs any time soon!

philmcp 5y ago
Cheers mate - really appreciate it! More jobs (e.g ML) getting added soon, just need to convince more companies to consider applications for a 4 day week

kar5pt 5y ago

How do these companies scale down the workload for 4 day a week employees? Estimates in the software field are based on intuition. I could easily see this becoming, "get 5 days of work done in 4 days and get paid less for it" if the people involved aren't used to estimating based on 4 day work weeks.

tharkun__ 5y ago
Can you elaborate on your context maybe? Asking because to me this intuitively doesn't make sense but my context is agile software development with sprint and story points. Since story points are a relative complexity measure they don't care about how long the work week is. The velocity measured over each sprint in these points also doesn't. Velocity is just an average number of observed story points delivered per time period. How many days were 'work days' and which, doesn't really matter.
- nceasy 5y ago
  The company I work for runs almost in the same way, the difference is that we have a 40h/week working hours as a "reference", which is pure BS since everyone end up working easily 45+ hours/week.

klyrs 5y ago

Do you intend for the site to be mobile friendly? Couldn't see hardly anything except a menu and there's a little "agree" button that makes me think that the cookie notification is getting hidden by the menu

philmcp 5y ago
Ah damn that sucks, what mobile / browser are you on? Mobile works ok for me, but then again I've only tested it on 1 phone / browser (!)
- klyrs 5y ago
  Firefox/android, 360x720

proc0 5y ago

I've been asking this for decades, because I hate rush hour. It's now more obvious it used to be a huge problem with an easy solution... employers need to give employees more options as to when to work. Synchronizing 9-5 is incredibly short-sighted and puts so much strain on the system for no reason. Many roles don't need that window of time and could easily open things up for those that really need those times. I really hope 9-5 goes away and people just "show up" to work for meetings and maybe agreed office hours of some kind.

coffexx 5y ago

It’s just the socially accepted pseudo standard. Shorthand to avoid complexity. Where I’m at 10am to 4pm are the core hours and the rest is flexible. Overtime can be recouped in half days or full days off if you’ve organised appropriately with the team. My suspicion is that it’s simply easier to make disgruntled noises generally about 9-5 than actually negotiating seriously at the smaller end of the scale on behalf of you or your team.