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No. A good compromise is leaving business between A and B if you are C. If you produce the best textile in the world and charge only a penny, but someone would

by henvic 5y ago

No. A good compromise is leaving business between A and B if you are C. If you produce the best textile in the world and charge only a penny, but someone would prefer to pay a pound for something awful from overseas, they should have the liberty to do so. It's none of your business how other people trade.

gambiting 5y ago
This is the craziest idea I've ever heard when it comes to economics . Isn't that basically the libertarian "everyone should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want to do" approach? As in....do you not recognize that society might want to value having functional industries and employment above absolute freedom for businesses? And as someone else already pointed out - there are whole bunch of externalities that we all pay for by allowing this unfettered and unlimited trade. With your approach if it was cheaper to ship fresh salad 20k miles than buy local, it should be allowed because after all, why should you interfere with local businesses? Sometimes it is a matter of national security too, where one country knowingly attempts to destroy another's industry by dumping their product at cost prices - great for consumers I imagine you'd say. But again, you are being very short sighted.
- henvic 5y ago
  And who decide that? You? Go mind your business.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    I thought we were having a civilized discussion, not Reddit back and forth. But to answer your actual question - societies decide it, through trade bodies, through unions, through courts, through commissions , parliaments, senates and so forth. Individualism is nonsense and never makes sense out of internet arguments.
    - henvic 5y ago
      Society as a whole doesn't decide shit like you pretend. People with power to force their ideas unto others by means of violence promoted by the state do. Wait, why do you even expect me to have a civilized discussion with someone who says that they feel empowered to block my voluntary transactions with other people because you don't like how you are left out of it? Be an adult. Go mind your own business. Your childish collectivism is nonsense. Individualism? Okay, you mean basic adult behavior of respecting boundaries is nonsense and want to be taken seriously?
      - gambiting 5y ago
        No, it's just that your entire argument is built as if there are no governments, or if there are then ideally they should piss off and let everyone do whatever they want. You are completely allowed to have such an opinion, and I'm completely allowed to think it's an unreasonable and unrealistic opinion to have. What I mean but "individualism nonsense" is that your right to conduct business as an individual does not surpass the right of the society to not be negatively impacted by your decisions. This is not a statement that's seriously debatable outside of some nieche libertarian circles. >>why do you even expect me to have a civilized discussion with someone who says that they feel empowered to block my voluntary transactions with other people because you don't like how you are left out of it? I don't know why you're making this some sort of weird me Vs you argument(you take what I say way too personally), governments the world over already regulate what kind of business two willing parties X and Y are allowed to have. This is a discussion to establish where the line is. But of course feel free to tell me to mind my own business.

by henvic 5y ago

gambiting 5y ago

This is the craziest idea I've ever heard when it comes to economics . Isn't that basically the libertarian "everyone should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want to do" approach? As in....do you not recognize that society might want to value having functional industries and employment above absolute freedom for businesses? And as someone else already pointed out - there are whole bunch of externalities that we all pay for by allowing this unfettered and unlimited trade. With your approach if it was cheaper to ship fresh salad 20k miles than buy local, it should be allowed because after all, why should you interfere with local businesses? Sometimes it is a matter of national security too, where one country knowingly attempts to destroy another's industry by dumping their product at cost prices - great for consumers I imagine you'd say. But again, you are being very short sighted.

henvic 5y ago
And who decide that? You? Go mind your business.
- gambiting 5y ago
  I thought we were having a civilized discussion, not Reddit back and forth. But to answer your actual question - societies decide it, through trade bodies, through unions, through courts, through commissions , parliaments, senates and so forth. Individualism is nonsense and never makes sense out of internet arguments.
  - henvic 5y ago
    Society as a whole doesn't decide shit like you pretend. People with power to force their ideas unto others by means of violence promoted by the state do. Wait, why do you even expect me to have a civilized discussion with someone who says that they feel empowered to block my voluntary transactions with other people because you don't like how you are left out of it? Be an adult. Go mind your own business. Your childish collectivism is nonsense. Individualism? Okay, you mean basic adult behavior of respecting boundaries is nonsense and want to be taken seriously?
    - gambiting 5y ago
      No, it's just that your entire argument is built as if there are no governments, or if there are then ideally they should piss off and let everyone do whatever they want. You are completely allowed to have such an opinion, and I'm completely allowed to think it's an unreasonable and unrealistic opinion to have. What I mean but "individualism nonsense" is that your right to conduct business as an individual does not surpass the right of the society to not be negatively impacted by your decisions. This is not a statement that's seriously debatable outside of some nieche libertarian circles. >>why do you even expect me to have a civilized discussion with someone who says that they feel empowered to block my voluntary transactions with other people because you don't like how you are left out of it? I don't know why you're making this some sort of weird me Vs you argument(you take what I say way too personally), governments the world over already regulate what kind of business two willing parties X and Y are allowed to have. This is a discussion to establish where the line is. But of course feel free to tell me to mind my own business.