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> Why do americans think that the US won WW2 in Europe? If you were British you would know the real truth from the 24/7 repeats of WW2 documentaries that Churc

> Why do americans think that the US won WW2 in Europe? If you were British you would know the real truth from the 24/7 repeats of WW2 documentaries that Churchill won WW2

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
And if you were Russian you would know that it was the Soviets that defeated the Nazis and won the war. And if you were Polish you would know that the Soviets were bad for invading originally, and the English were also pretty bad through their initial inactivity. In fact if you look at the death toll by nation, one could argue that the UK barely went to war at all. The UK lost what, 400,000 people? Compared with Poland's 5,000,000? And of course a significant portion of the pilots in the Battle of Britain were Polish, and the Enigma machine was cracked by three Polish mathematicians eight years prior to Alan Turing pushing the work over the line (and subsequently taking all the credit for it, at least in the eyes of the British).
- BuckRogers 5y ago
  And they'd all be wrong. The Allies won the war. None of them did it on their own. Nor could they had they tried. The UK was going to fall. The USSR was going to fall. It took all of us to destroy the Axis.
  - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
    My point is that every country teaches their own narrative to its youth, and of course it’s always only the parts of history that don’t make them look bad. English kids aren’t taught that the UK did nothing when Westerplatte was under siege. Swedish kids aren’t taught that Sweden profited and aided the Nazis by selling them natural resources. Australian kids aren’t taught much about WWII relative to Europeans as far as I can gather, as the curriculum centres around the ANZACs and Gallipoli. I think people having pride (or indeed shame) in their own nation — whichever nation that may be — for historic military engagements is misplaced, and is really an example of exceptionalism. It’s not a small thing either; I think this sentiment significantly aided Vote Leave’s Brexit campaign. As another commenter pointed out — British people know that we won “two world wars and one World Cup”.
    - bingbong70 5y ago
      ...and American kids aren't taught that the US was selling oil and equipment to the Japanese so they could attack China...the cabinet cutting off these supplies while the US President was away at a secret meeting with Churchill in Alaska triggered the attack on Pearl Harbor. Both Churchill and Roosevelt had planned to continue supplying Japan so they could destroy China, the supplies were cutoff without their knowledge. Once promised US oil was cutoff and the secret treaty signed in 1905 by Teddy and Japan was reneged on, the Japanese needed to invade the rest of Asia (starting with Indonesia) to keep their war machine fueled, bombing Pearl Harbor ensured they could do this with less US resistance in the Pacific.
gizmodo59 5y ago
Not sure why that would be the case. A lot of Brits understand that while Britain survived WW2 it was the US that came out strong and helped to end WW2 compared to any other nation on earth (except Soviet Union) with not only technology dominance but also economic and in many ways cultural. This also has a personal bias as I want the US to be remembered and not the UK who I think has done so much damage around the world pre WW2 in the name of colonialism including my home country.
- daleharvey 5y ago
  While my comment was sarcastic it was still mostly true. The history channel is completely dominated by world war 2 documentaries and they rarely discuss the involvement of other nations. Some British people will obviously know more, but the vast majority will still believe, as the saying goes, "2 world wars and one world cup"

> Why do americans think that the US won WW2 in Europe? If you were British you would know the real truth from the 24/7 repeats of WW2 documentaries that Churchill won WW2

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago

And if you were Russian you would know that it was the Soviets that defeated the Nazis and won the war. And if you were Polish you would know that the Soviets were bad for invading originally, and the English were also pretty bad through their initial inactivity. In fact if you look at the death toll by nation, one could argue that the UK barely went to war at all. The UK lost what, 400,000 people? Compared with Poland's 5,000,000? And of course a significant portion of the pilots in the Battle of Britain were Polish, and the Enigma machine was cracked by three Polish mathematicians eight years prior to Alan Turing pushing the work over the line (and subsequently taking all the credit for it, at least in the eyes of the British).

BuckRogers 5y ago
And they'd all be wrong. The Allies won the war. None of them did it on their own. Nor could they had they tried. The UK was going to fall. The USSR was going to fall. It took all of us to destroy the Axis.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  My point is that every country teaches their own narrative to its youth, and of course it’s always only the parts of history that don’t make them look bad. English kids aren’t taught that the UK did nothing when Westerplatte was under siege. Swedish kids aren’t taught that Sweden profited and aided the Nazis by selling them natural resources. Australian kids aren’t taught much about WWII relative to Europeans as far as I can gather, as the curriculum centres around the ANZACs and Gallipoli. I think people having pride (or indeed shame) in their own nation — whichever nation that may be — for historic military engagements is misplaced, and is really an example of exceptionalism. It’s not a small thing either; I think this sentiment significantly aided Vote Leave’s Brexit campaign. As another commenter pointed out — British people know that we won “two world wars and one World Cup”.
  - bingbong70 5y ago
    ...and American kids aren't taught that the US was selling oil and equipment to the Japanese so they could attack China...the cabinet cutting off these supplies while the US President was away at a secret meeting with Churchill in Alaska triggered the attack on Pearl Harbor. Both Churchill and Roosevelt had planned to continue supplying Japan so they could destroy China, the supplies were cutoff without their knowledge. Once promised US oil was cutoff and the secret treaty signed in 1905 by Teddy and Japan was reneged on, the Japanese needed to invade the rest of Asia (starting with Indonesia) to keep their war machine fueled, bombing Pearl Harbor ensured they could do this with less US resistance in the Pacific.

gizmodo59 5y ago

Not sure why that would be the case. A lot of Brits understand that while Britain survived WW2 it was the US that came out strong and helped to end WW2 compared to any other nation on earth (except Soviet Union) with not only technology dominance but also economic and in many ways cultural. This also has a personal bias as I want the US to be remembered and not the UK who I think has done so much damage around the world pre WW2 in the name of colonialism including my home country.

daleharvey 5y ago
While my comment was sarcastic it was still mostly true. The history channel is completely dominated by world war 2 documentaries and they rarely discuss the involvement of other nations. Some British people will obviously know more, but the vast majority will still believe, as the saying goes, "2 world wars and one world cup"