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> I think for a lot of people the privacy issue really is about concern that their behavioral information would be sold and disseminated. People are only conce

> I think for a lot of people the privacy issue really is about concern that their behavioral information would be sold and disseminated. People are only concerned about the things they can easily conceptualize. Google certainly hasn’t done anything to make it easier to understand behavioral ad targeting, probably because they didn’t want to be in this business to start with (they only moved into it during the dot com crash when they were pressured to get a business model together) and because they maintain relationships with intelligence agencies, allowing those groups to collect information they wouldn’t be able to get legally. On several levels, Google benefits directly from hiding their real business model from the users whose behavioral information surplus they exploit. Just because people have been slow to catch on doesn’t mean their Incognito disclosure isn’t inaccurate and downright misleading. Google doesn’t get points for hiding opt-out behind the labyrinthine settings toggles. Until the entire data collection process is opt-in, they’re exploiting user ignorance.

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> People are only concerned about the things they can easily conceptualize. My take is that people aren't concerned with things that don't pose significant risk to them. > and because they maintain relationships with intelligence agencies, allowing those groups to collect information they wouldn’t be able to get legally. This is not true, and you will not be able to cite evidence that it is. > Google doesn’t get points for hiding opt-out behind the labyrinthine settings toggles The first search result for [google disable ad targeting] is a support page linking directly to that toggle. "Labyrinthine" is not the word I would use to describe this state of affairs.
- websites420 5y ago
  >This is not true, and you will not be able to cite evidence that it is. https://www.salon.com/2014/11/16/googles_secret_nsa_alliance_the_terrifying_deals_between_silicon_valley_and_the_security_state/ https://www.salon.com/2014/11/16/googles_secret_nsa_alliance... https://surveillancevalley.com https://surveillancevalley.com (review: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/06/surveillance-valley-by-yasha-levine-review https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/06/surveillance-v...) >The first search result for [google disable ad targeting] is a support page linking directly to that toggle. "Labyrinthine" is not the word I would use to describe this state of affairs. Interesting, because the first result I get when I search those exact terms is a support article about how to make sure ad targeting is turned on: https://support.google.com/ads/answer/2662856?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en https://support.google.com/ads/answer/2662856?co=GENIE.Platf... "Control the ads you see You can make the ads you see more useful or get ads that are specific to you. You'll see Google ads on: Google services, like Search or YouTube. Websites and apps that partner with Google to show ads."
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
    The review you cited of Surveillance Valley says that the book is overwrought and the evidence does not support its conclusions. The other article was long on implication but short on evidence. On that support page, scroll down. https://imgur.com/zKvpRyl https://imgur.com/zKvpRyl This part of the page is also highlighted in the quick answer: https://imgur.com/5WT23Ki https://imgur.com/5WT23Ki
    - websites420 5y ago
      Note that the author of the review criticizes Levine's characterizations, not the facts contained. The same information can be found in The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. Or in this NBC News article: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-highlight-quiet-ties-between-big-tech-u-s-n1233171 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-h.... Here's the data on techinquiry: https://techinquiry.org/SiliconValley-Military/ https://techinquiry.org/SiliconValley-Military/

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> People are only concerned about the things they can easily conceptualize. My take is that people aren't concerned with things that don't pose significant risk to them. > and because they maintain relationships with intelligence agencies, allowing those groups to collect information they wouldn’t be able to get legally. This is not true, and you will not be able to cite evidence that it is. > Google doesn’t get points for hiding opt-out behind the labyrinthine settings toggles The first search result for [google disable ad targeting] is a support page linking directly to that toggle. "Labyrinthine" is not the word I would use to describe this state of affairs.

websites420 5y ago
>This is not true, and you will not be able to cite evidence that it is. https://www.salon.com/2014/11/16/googles_secret_nsa_alliance_the_terrifying_deals_between_silicon_valley_and_the_security_state/ https://www.salon.com/2014/11/16/googles_secret_nsa_alliance... https://surveillancevalley.com https://surveillancevalley.com (review: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/06/surveillance-valley-by-yasha-levine-review https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/06/surveillance-v...) >The first search result for [google disable ad targeting] is a support page linking directly to that toggle. "Labyrinthine" is not the word I would use to describe this state of affairs. Interesting, because the first result I get when I search those exact terms is a support article about how to make sure ad targeting is turned on: https://support.google.com/ads/answer/2662856?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en https://support.google.com/ads/answer/2662856?co=GENIE.Platf... "Control the ads you see You can make the ads you see more useful or get ads that are specific to you. You'll see Google ads on: Google services, like Search or YouTube. Websites and apps that partner with Google to show ads."
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  The review you cited of Surveillance Valley says that the book is overwrought and the evidence does not support its conclusions. The other article was long on implication but short on evidence. On that support page, scroll down. https://imgur.com/zKvpRyl https://imgur.com/zKvpRyl This part of the page is also highlighted in the quick answer: https://imgur.com/5WT23Ki https://imgur.com/5WT23Ki
  - websites420 5y ago
    Note that the author of the review criticizes Levine's characterizations, not the facts contained. The same information can be found in The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. Or in this NBC News article: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-highlight-quiet-ties-between-big-tech-u-s-n1233171 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-h.... Here's the data on techinquiry: https://techinquiry.org/SiliconValley-Military/ https://techinquiry.org/SiliconValley-Military/