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Seems needlessly pedantic to me, since by that definition electromagnetism isn't a force either -- it's not possible to have a force on a charged object without
by cyphar 5y ago
Seems needlessly pedantic to me, since by that definition electromagnetism isn't a force either -- it's not possible to have a force on a charged object without there being another object that creates the field the first object is interacting with (and vice versa). In fact, Newton's third law kind of implies that it's impossible to have any force in isolation. The same formula argument would apply to Coulomb's law.
Now, is it fair to point out that you can model these forces as fields, and that such a model is very useful? Yeah. But it's silly to argue that something is or is not a "force" but is instead a "field" -- these are mathematical constructs used in the models we use for physics. I mean, it's not really accurate to say that "forces" and "fields" exist in the first place (in the sense that the mathematical models themselves are a real thing that exist in the world -- they are simply models). And in the end it definitely doesn't matter, neither the maths nor the real world cares whether you personally consider gravity a force or not.
(I expect this is also the case for the strong and weak forces, but I haven't done post-grad physics.)
- derefr 5y agoEM isn’t a force. EM flux is a force. The pedantry is important because it tells you which formulae/units are compatible with one-another. Weight (~gravitational force), or EM flux (~electromotive force), being forces, can be directly translated into impulse in a dynamic system—reduced to an instantaneous acceleration upon a mass, and thus into the fundamental units of meters, seconds, and grams/mols.
- cyphar 5y agoDimensional analysis seems to me to be a far more fool-proof way of knowing whether a quantity should be used with a particular formula. Also the other issue is that the word "force" in physics doesn't just refer to F=ma, it also refers to the general concept of an interaction mediator. That's why they're called the four fundamental forces -- meaning that saying "gravity is not a force, it's a field" is not only overly pedantic but is also arguably wrong if you take it literally.