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Or I could have used better sensors on my car but that doesn't sound as controversial as "anyone using LIDAR is doomed" so I fooled my customers and let my comp

Or I could have used better sensors on my car but that doesn't sound as controversial as "anyone using LIDAR is doomed" so I fooled my customers and let my competitors get ahead.

tucosan 5y ago
Can you give an example of competitors that use Lidar and are further ahead than Tesla?
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  Doesn’t Waymo use LIDAR? They’re not as widespread as Tesla is, but some suggest they’re better than Teslas.
  - kosievdmerwe 5y ago
    Waymo also has actual robotaxis.
    - avereveard 5y ago
      Waymo also hasn't killed anyone
tr1ll10nb1ll 5y ago
Saying "anyone using LiDAR is doomed" is a controversial statement sure but the self-driving problem is indeed a computer vision problem. George Hotz puts it quite neatly, companies like Waymo have spent millions so far and someone sitting at home could not use their product highlighting their inefficiency. He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car? No, not really. The legitimacy in his statements come from the fact ( imo ) that comma.ai ( his self-driving startup ) outperforms with less funding than one could imagine by solving the problem absolutely as a Computer Vision problem. They treat it slightly different than Tesla but in all, it goes on to show that you don't really need to use LiDAR to solve the problem, it can potentially solve the problem, but it's an inefficient way to do it.
- blueblisters 5y ago
  > He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car? I hate this argument. It doesn't hold for several reasons: - A human driver has blind spots (which btw Tesla avoids by having cameras surrounding the car) - Human reactions times are very poor at even moderate speeds - Human vision is affected by glare - Humans are terrible at driving in low light conditions - Humans are terrible at driving in inclement weather - snow storms or heavy rainfall LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems but to claim that self driving is solvable by vision alone is a bad take. Multiple sensors add redundancies and reduce errors. Teslas are already equipped with ultrasound sensors and radar so it's not technically solving a Computer Vision only problem.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    > LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems Radar+sonar do.
    - tr1ll10nb1ll 5y ago
      It's never about being just able to solve the problems, it's more about solving the problem without spending millions and millions of dollars and still not having a product everyone can use after years.

Or I could have used better sensors on my car but that doesn't sound as controversial as "anyone using LIDAR is doomed" so I fooled my customers and let my competitors get ahead.

tucosan 5y ago

Can you give an example of competitors that use Lidar and are further ahead than Tesla?

colejohnson66 5y ago
Doesn’t Waymo use LIDAR? They’re not as widespread as Tesla is, but some suggest they’re better than Teslas.
- kosievdmerwe 5y ago
  Waymo also has actual robotaxis.
  - avereveard 5y ago
    Waymo also hasn't killed anyone

tr1ll10nb1ll 5y ago

Saying "anyone using LiDAR is doomed" is a controversial statement sure but the self-driving problem is indeed a computer vision problem. George Hotz puts it quite neatly, companies like Waymo have spent millions so far and someone sitting at home could not use their product highlighting their inefficiency. He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car? No, not really. The legitimacy in his statements come from the fact ( imo ) that comma.ai ( his self-driving startup ) outperforms with less funding than one could imagine by solving the problem absolutely as a Computer Vision problem. They treat it slightly different than Tesla but in all, it goes on to show that you don't really need to use LiDAR to solve the problem, it can potentially solve the problem, but it's an inefficient way to do it.

blueblisters 5y ago
> He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car? I hate this argument. It doesn't hold for several reasons: - A human driver has blind spots (which btw Tesla avoids by having cameras surrounding the car) - Human reactions times are very poor at even moderate speeds - Human vision is affected by glare - Humans are terrible at driving in low light conditions - Humans are terrible at driving in inclement weather - snow storms or heavy rainfall LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems but to claim that self driving is solvable by vision alone is a bad take. Multiple sensors add redundancies and reduce errors. Teslas are already equipped with ultrasound sensors and radar so it's not technically solving a Computer Vision only problem.
- atatatat 5y ago
  > LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems Radar+sonar do.
  - tr1ll10nb1ll 5y ago
    It's never about being just able to solve the problems, it's more about solving the problem without spending millions and millions of dollars and still not having a product everyone can use after years.