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you must be using a different definition of edm to me. according to the definition I accept, then our rave scene is a small corner of edm which literally is an

you must be using a different definition of edm to me. according to the definition I accept, then our rave scene is a small corner of edm which literally is an umbrella term for all electronic dance music. ...i'd be interested to know what term you use for the latter?

glitcher 5y ago
Not the commenter you posed the question to, but I suspect their dislike for the term EDM is similar to how I felt about the term "electronica" back in the 90's when mainstream artists were appropriating sounds and ideas from electronic artists. When the music was mostly underground or found at illegal parties it felt original and pure, but once the broader music industry took notice and started pillaging it for profit it felt dirty and sacrilegious. My preferred umbrella term for electronic dance music is simply "electronic music". This helps make room under the umbrella for all manner of experimental and sometimes undanceable music as well. Death to the over-(sub)-genre-fication of electronic music!
- sideshowb 5y ago
  I see where you're coming from, but though we might dislike the commercialisation, the fact you can complain that something got commercialised shows it's a continuation of the same genre. Electronica was always a rubbish pretentious ill defined term but at least edm (as I use it) is a good name from the perspective of being exactly what it says on the tin. Thanks for the perspective though!
antihero 5y ago
EDM is what I ascribe to as the sort of commercial stuff at big commerical festivals like EDC usually in the USA, encompassing US dubstep/brostep, electro house, a lot of trance. Really hyperactive and obvious, no subtlety, all about getting that big fucking drop or that dirty bassline. Tends to be extremely commercial and hugely about superstar DJs and conventionally hot people posting their outfits on Instagram. Like, brooooooo. David Guetta, Aviici, Excision, etc. Not denying it can't be fun if you're fucked up enough, but it has completely and utterly lost any semblance of being a counterculture or challenging or underground. Not my vibe at all. I know "EDM" has a literal definition but this is what I mean when I'm talking about it, hope that helps :)
- sideshowb 5y ago
  Cool, ok. So what is the term you'd use for the literal definition of e.g. Everything in ishkur's (old) guide?

glitcher 5y ago

Not the commenter you posed the question to, but I suspect their dislike for the term EDM is similar to how I felt about the term "electronica" back in the 90's when mainstream artists were appropriating sounds and ideas from electronic artists. When the music was mostly underground or found at illegal parties it felt original and pure, but once the broader music industry took notice and started pillaging it for profit it felt dirty and sacrilegious. My preferred umbrella term for electronic dance music is simply "electronic music". This helps make room under the umbrella for all manner of experimental and sometimes undanceable music as well. Death to the over-(sub)-genre-fication of electronic music!

sideshowb 5y ago
I see where you're coming from, but though we might dislike the commercialisation, the fact you can complain that something got commercialised shows it's a continuation of the same genre. Electronica was always a rubbish pretentious ill defined term but at least edm (as I use it) is a good name from the perspective of being exactly what it says on the tin. Thanks for the perspective though!

antihero 5y ago

EDM is what I ascribe to as the sort of commercial stuff at big commerical festivals like EDC usually in the USA, encompassing US dubstep/brostep, electro house, a lot of trance. Really hyperactive and obvious, no subtlety, all about getting that big fucking drop or that dirty bassline. Tends to be extremely commercial and hugely about superstar DJs and conventionally hot people posting their outfits on Instagram. Like, brooooooo. David Guetta, Aviici, Excision, etc. Not denying it can't be fun if you're fucked up enough, but it has completely and utterly lost any semblance of being a counterculture or challenging or underground. Not my vibe at all. I know "EDM" has a literal definition but this is what I mean when I'm talking about it, hope that helps :)

sideshowb 5y ago
Cool, ok. So what is the term you'd use for the literal definition of e.g. Everything in ishkur's (old) guide?