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"You made a mistake, but look at the positive side. If all those Ph.D.’s were wrong, the country would be in some very serious trouble."

inopinatus 5y ago
And that, boys and girls, is how we got adtech.
fastball 5y ago
This is why I no longer call people Dr.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  Lol. I worked at a biomedical informatics shop with IITians and other folks who were MD + PhD CS. No one referred to anyone as doctor and no one there took a MENSA test. I think it's safe to say the only "doctors" are clinical MDs, podunk colleges to seem elitist, and Spies Like Us during the surgery scene.
  - leephillips 5y ago
    Only losers take Mensa tests and talk about their IQs. But plenty of PhDs use the Dr title in the right context. It's just the height of jerkdom to insist on people addressing you with it.
    - listenallyall 5y ago
      > the height of jerkdom to insist on people addressing you with it Tell that to Dr. Jill Biden. Who doesn't even have a Ph.D.
    - fastball 5y ago
      What's the right context? Why are PhDs (and MDs) the only people that deserve a special prefix in our society? I know loads of people that have worked harder and smarter than people with PhDs, but they don't get a prefix.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - leephillips 5y ago
        So do I, but titles don’t mean that you are more worthy, they are just a convention that indicates a particular thing. For example, the titles Mr., Ms., Prof., and so on. Different countries and cultures use titles differently; in some societies, such as in the US, we use the title “Dr.” for someone who has received one of several (earned, not honorary) degrees from an accredited institution. These are the MD, the PhD, and some other degrees that have a D in them, such as the EdD (Biden) and the DrPH (doc. public health)¹. This is so even though these degrees involve little more than vocational programs with two years of coursework. The right context are things like business cards, listing people’s names on the program of a conference, or any place where you want to indicate someone as a degree holder, to lend a little formality, indicate respect, or try to impress the innocent. It is no more incumbent on you to use the title as it is to use someone’s preferred pronouns. It’s up to you. And to make an issue of it is pitiful and boorish.¹ [1] https://www.thelily.com/a-white-city-official-refused-to-address-this-black-professor-as-doctor-he-got-fired/ https://www.thelily.com/a-white-city-official-refused-to-add...
        fastball 5y ago
        Yeah I understand when we do it, I just don't agree with the why. If I'm not gonna use a different prefix for accomplishments in a more generalized sense, I'm not going to lend extra respect / deference to people who some college I've never heard of decided were worthy of a PhD (or similar).
        leephillips 5y ago
        Well, as my friend said after he got his PhD in philosophy, “Now they can send those welfare checks to Dr. <Lastname>.”
    - failwhaleshark 5y ago
      I don't know about "losers," but maybe insecure- or envious-behaving people. I was never told what my IQ tests were, but the educational system kept pulling me out of class to arrange triangles for years. Later, I was lazy and took the SAT without coaching, prep, or studying. Missed one on the math section, but let's not talk about the English section. ;@) I don't even believe in IQ tests as a valid, quantitative, reductionist, relative-performance ranking for anything other than taking IQ tests. Intelligence is multidimensional, multi-domain, difficult to linearize to orthogonal properties, and inferred based on a particular performance, not quantified directly by opening-up someone's head. Can't people just be people better in some areas? I can't draw for beans, my handwriting looks like I have advanced Parkinson's, and the neighborhood animals tip me to not sing in the shower.
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    Spies Like Us - Doctor, Doctor... https://youtu.be/9UZWfMgjqAs https://youtu.be/9UZWfMgjqAs
- irrational 5y ago
  I have a relative with a PhD in Economics. His personality leads me to believe that he would totally be one of the people to write in to Marilyn. He does sign things with Dr. Drives me up the wall.

inopinatus 5y ago

And that, boys and girls, is how we got adtech.

fastball 5y ago

This is why I no longer call people Dr.

failwhaleshark 5y ago
Lol. I worked at a biomedical informatics shop with IITians and other folks who were MD + PhD CS. No one referred to anyone as doctor and no one there took a MENSA test. I think it's safe to say the only "doctors" are clinical MDs, podunk colleges to seem elitist, and Spies Like Us during the surgery scene.
- leephillips 5y ago
  Only losers take Mensa tests and talk about their IQs. But plenty of PhDs use the Dr title in the right context. It's just the height of jerkdom to insist on people addressing you with it.
  - listenallyall 5y ago
    > the height of jerkdom to insist on people addressing you with it Tell that to Dr. Jill Biden. Who doesn't even have a Ph.D.
  - fastball 5y ago
    What's the right context? Why are PhDs (and MDs) the only people that deserve a special prefix in our society? I know loads of people that have worked harder and smarter than people with PhDs, but they don't get a prefix.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - leephillips 5y ago
      So do I, but titles don’t mean that you are more worthy, they are just a convention that indicates a particular thing. For example, the titles Mr., Ms., Prof., and so on. Different countries and cultures use titles differently; in some societies, such as in the US, we use the title “Dr.” for someone who has received one of several (earned, not honorary) degrees from an accredited institution. These are the MD, the PhD, and some other degrees that have a D in them, such as the EdD (Biden) and the DrPH (doc. public health)¹. This is so even though these degrees involve little more than vocational programs with two years of coursework. The right context are things like business cards, listing people’s names on the program of a conference, or any place where you want to indicate someone as a degree holder, to lend a little formality, indicate respect, or try to impress the innocent. It is no more incumbent on you to use the title as it is to use someone’s preferred pronouns. It’s up to you. And to make an issue of it is pitiful and boorish.¹ [1] https://www.thelily.com/a-white-city-official-refused-to-address-this-black-professor-as-doctor-he-got-fired/ https://www.thelily.com/a-white-city-official-refused-to-add...
      - fastball 5y ago
        Yeah I understand when we do it, I just don't agree with the why. If I'm not gonna use a different prefix for accomplishments in a more generalized sense, I'm not going to lend extra respect / deference to people who some college I've never heard of decided were worthy of a PhD (or similar).
        leephillips 5y ago
        Well, as my friend said after he got his PhD in philosophy, “Now they can send those welfare checks to Dr. <Lastname>.”
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    I don't know about "losers," but maybe insecure- or envious-behaving people. I was never told what my IQ tests were, but the educational system kept pulling me out of class to arrange triangles for years. Later, I was lazy and took the SAT without coaching, prep, or studying. Missed one on the math section, but let's not talk about the English section. ;@) I don't even believe in IQ tests as a valid, quantitative, reductionist, relative-performance ranking for anything other than taking IQ tests. Intelligence is multidimensional, multi-domain, difficult to linearize to orthogonal properties, and inferred based on a particular performance, not quantified directly by opening-up someone's head. Can't people just be people better in some areas? I can't draw for beans, my handwriting looks like I have advanced Parkinson's, and the neighborhood animals tip me to not sing in the shower.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  Spies Like Us - Doctor, Doctor... https://youtu.be/9UZWfMgjqAs https://youtu.be/9UZWfMgjqAs
irrational 5y ago
I have a relative with a PhD in Economics. His personality leads me to believe that he would totally be one of the people to write in to Marilyn. He does sign things with Dr. Drives me up the wall.