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The hubris of some of the her critics - especially ones with titles - is remarkable.

by the__alchemist 6y ago

psychometry 6y ago
It won't be long before we see some here I predict.
- devilduck 6y ago
  Happens here all the time
pmiller2 6y ago
I'm willing to forgive pretty much anyone who's fooled by something that also fooled Paul Erdos: https://www.wired.com/2014/11/monty-hall-erdos-limited-minds/ https://www.wired.com/2014/11/monty-hall-erdos-limited-minds...
- macintux 6y ago
  Being wrong isn’t a crime. Harshly lambasting a woman for, largely, being a woman and disagreeing with you is the problem.
  - nextlevelwizard 6y ago
    Jumping to sexist assumptions is also a problem.
    - magnio 6y ago
      So is not reading the article: > Maybe women look at math problems differently than men. > “I still think you’re wrong,” wrote one man, nearly a year later. “There is such a thing as female logic.”
    - devilduck 6y ago
      There was plenty of actual sexism launched at her "wizard"
  - casefields 6y ago
    I don't see the problem. We are still doing this today. Pick a hot button topic that has some "consensus" then watch how outliers get treated. For example, COVID and climate change. I'm not saying people going completely against the narrative but professionals publicizing concerns or data that just doesn't fit the current narrative. This is more of meritocracy run amok. I've got the fancy credentials which shows I'm brilliant, and I know it. World renowned Harvard Philosopher Michael Sandel on The Tyranny of Merit: https://youtu.be/Qewckuxa9hw https://youtu.be/Qewckuxa9hw
- crooked-v 6y ago
  Something tells me Erdős didn't resort immediately to personal insults when faced with the problem, though.
  - astrange 6y ago
    I'm not sure about that since Erdos had the typical pre-GenZ-wokeness vocabulary of a nerd, where everything they said was worded as an insult to people less smart or with different hobbies than him. To the point where it's in his Wikipedia article: > Women were "bosses" who "captured" men as "slaves" by marrying them. Divorced men were "liberated". > People who stopped doing mathematics had "died", while people who died had "left". > Music (except classical music) was "noise". (Did boomers ever notice all their wife-based humor was about how much they hated theirs?)
    - mcphage 6y ago
      > Did boomers ever notice all their wife-based humor was about how much they hated theirs? Probably, because the husband-based humor was the same.
  - TchoBeer 6y ago
    Something tells me Erdős wasn't immune to sexism and would've probably not been immune to being a bit sexist here too.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Something tells me he probably didn't care who was explaining it to him, as long as he understood.
- v64 6y ago
  The epilogue: "A few days after Erdos left, he telephoned to say that Ron Graham of AT&T explained to him the reasoning behind the answer and that now he understood. He proceeded to tell me the reasoning but I couldn’t fathom his explanation." -- Vazsonyi [1] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20140413131827/http://www.decisionsciences.org/DecisionLine/Vol30/30_1/vazs30_1.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140413131827/http://www.decisi...
trentnix 6y ago
Hubris of title and its correlation to being dead-ass wrong is a time-honored tradition.
kstenerud 6y ago
When someone famous with a reputation of always being right is suddenly wrong, there's a scramble to be the one who corrects them. It's a point of pride and fame. The Monty Hall problem is particularly troublesome because the statistical connection is for some reason counterintuitive and difficult to grasp unaided, even for experts. Being that rare person who just gets it right away means that you'll have a lot of people thinking it's you who have misunderstood. So in this case I'd say that this kind of reaction was rather normal (albeit with a sexist bent in a number of the responses).

The hubris of some of the her critics - especially ones with titles - is remarkable.

psychometry 6y ago

It won't be long before we see some here I predict.

devilduck 6y ago
Happens here all the time

pmiller2 6y ago

I'm willing to forgive pretty much anyone who's fooled by something that also fooled Paul Erdos: https://www.wired.com/2014/11/monty-hall-erdos-limited-minds/ https://www.wired.com/2014/11/monty-hall-erdos-limited-minds...

macintux 6y ago
Being wrong isn’t a crime. Harshly lambasting a woman for, largely, being a woman and disagreeing with you is the problem.
- nextlevelwizard 6y ago
  Jumping to sexist assumptions is also a problem.
  - magnio 6y ago
    So is not reading the article: > Maybe women look at math problems differently than men. > “I still think you’re wrong,” wrote one man, nearly a year later. “There is such a thing as female logic.”
  - devilduck 6y ago
    There was plenty of actual sexism launched at her "wizard"
- casefields 6y ago
  I don't see the problem. We are still doing this today. Pick a hot button topic that has some "consensus" then watch how outliers get treated. For example, COVID and climate change. I'm not saying people going completely against the narrative but professionals publicizing concerns or data that just doesn't fit the current narrative. This is more of meritocracy run amok. I've got the fancy credentials which shows I'm brilliant, and I know it. World renowned Harvard Philosopher Michael Sandel on The Tyranny of Merit: https://youtu.be/Qewckuxa9hw https://youtu.be/Qewckuxa9hw
crooked-v 6y ago
Something tells me Erdős didn't resort immediately to personal insults when faced with the problem, though.
- astrange 6y ago
  I'm not sure about that since Erdos had the typical pre-GenZ-wokeness vocabulary of a nerd, where everything they said was worded as an insult to people less smart or with different hobbies than him. To the point where it's in his Wikipedia article: > Women were "bosses" who "captured" men as "slaves" by marrying them. Divorced men were "liberated". > People who stopped doing mathematics had "died", while people who died had "left". > Music (except classical music) was "noise". (Did boomers ever notice all their wife-based humor was about how much they hated theirs?)
  - mcphage 6y ago
    > Did boomers ever notice all their wife-based humor was about how much they hated theirs? Probably, because the husband-based humor was the same.
- TchoBeer 6y ago
  Something tells me Erdős wasn't immune to sexism and would've probably not been immune to being a bit sexist here too.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Something tells me he probably didn't care who was explaining it to him, as long as he understood.
v64 6y ago
The epilogue: "A few days after Erdos left, he telephoned to say that Ron Graham of AT&T explained to him the reasoning behind the answer and that now he understood. He proceeded to tell me the reasoning but I couldn’t fathom his explanation." -- Vazsonyi [1] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20140413131827/http://www.decisionsciences.org/DecisionLine/Vol30/30_1/vazs30_1.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140413131827/http://www.decisi...

trentnix 6y ago

Hubris of title and its correlation to being dead-ass wrong is a time-honored tradition.

kstenerud 6y ago

When someone famous with a reputation of always being right is suddenly wrong, there's a scramble to be the one who corrects them. It's a point of pride and fame. The Monty Hall problem is particularly troublesome because the statistical connection is for some reason counterintuitive and difficult to grasp unaided, even for experts. Being that rare person who just gets it right away means that you'll have a lot of people thinking it's you who have misunderstood. So in this case I'd say that this kind of reaction was rather normal (albeit with a sexist bent in a number of the responses).