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...what? "Epic Exclusive on PC" means not available on Steam But what does that have to with all of the other things you said? You're just saying derogatory co

...what? "Epic Exclusive on PC" means not available on Steam But what does that have to with all of the other things you said? You're just saying derogatory comments about store exclusives without saying why you think they're bad.

Laforet 5y ago
Well let's see: Metro Exodus: Originally slanted to release on steam in Feb 2019 with preorders starting in Aug 2018. Publisher suddenly announced the game will be EGS exclusive only 2 weeks head of this date with the explicit promise "Metro Exodus will return to Steam and on other store fronts after 14 February 2020." This turned out to be a bold faced lie as they quietly made the game available through the Windows Store in Jun 2020. Anno 1800: Originally planned for release on Steam and Uplay. Switched to EGS "exclusive" very shortly before release without warning. Still not available on steam to this day unless you have preordered before the switch. Best part of this "exclusive" deal was that it has always been available on PC through Uplay, but gettig it back on steam is a no-no. https://twitter.com/anno_en/status/1311215185114300416?lang=en https://twitter.com/anno_en/status/1311215185114300416?lang=... I could go on but after seeing how Epic had behaved in this market for the last couple for years I find it very hard to accept any excuse they make in good faith.
- void_mint 5y ago
  You're communicating with me as though I know what you're talking about and disagree with you. In reality I have no idea what you're talking about and am trying to understand. Just so we're crystal clear. So it sounds as though Epic offered exclusive agreements to studios that reneged on other commitments to comply with Epic? Why isn't the anger at those studios? How is Epic at fault for other studios' behavior?
  - Laforet 5y ago
    >You're communicating with me as though I know what you're talking about and disagree with you. You came into this discussion with a very strong opinion. It's only natural for other commentators to assume you arrived at that conclusion through your own experiences and research. If your claims of ignorance is genuine, on what grounds are you calling me "toxic" and "misrepresenting" earlier? Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? >So it sounds as though Epic offered exclusive agreements to studios that reneged on other commitments to comply with Epic? Why isn't the anger at those studios? How is Epic at fault for other studios' behavior? The other parties have already received their share of backlash but Epic deserves to be singled out as the instigator. It's one thing to pay indie developers a fat sum to bring their titles as a exclusive - nobody should be too upset about that. However, paying an industry heavyweight like Ubisoft to keep Anno 1800 off Steam is different: The latter has nothing to gain from not publishing their games on Steam, if anything they will miss out on some potential purchases put off by the behavior plus the bad publicity. In other words, this deal would not have happened without Epic reimbursing Ubisoft for the potential losses and fallout, and this kind of malicious anti-competitive is what bothers me.
    - void_mint 5y ago
      > You came into this discussion with a very strong opinion. Yes, the insanely strong opinion of "recite facts instead of injecting opinion". IE, the original post was a bunch of inflammatory nonsense that wrapped "I don't like store exclusives". > Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? You may be excited to learn my first post was exactly a question. > In other words, this deal would not have happened without Epic reimbursing Ubisoft for the potential losses and fallout, and this kind of malicious anti-competitive is what bothers me. The anti competitive behavior of "Have more gamestores than Steam"? I don't really think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation. I'm sorry you do not like store exclusives. I don't think Epic has done anything wrong (as it's just how business works) in this specific instance. We can disagree.
      - Laforet 5y ago
        >the original post was a bunch of inflammatory nonsense The top comment was diplomatic and mine was not. I'm sorry if blunt words hurt any feelings. >Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? Instead of refuting the points being raised here you immeidately resorted to calling any critical comment "toxic spin". >The anti competitive behavior of "Have more gamestores than Steam"? So lemme get this right. We need to have more game stores......by making games available from fewer game stores. If that how competition works? >I don't really think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation. Agreed. You could have summed up everything in one sentence "Epic can do nothing wrong" and that would probably sound less apologetic.

Laforet 5y ago

Well let's see: Metro Exodus: Originally slanted to release on steam in Feb 2019 with preorders starting in Aug 2018. Publisher suddenly announced the game will be EGS exclusive only 2 weeks head of this date with the explicit promise "Metro Exodus will return to Steam and on other store fronts after 14 February 2020." This turned out to be a bold faced lie as they quietly made the game available through the Windows Store in Jun 2020. Anno 1800: Originally planned for release on Steam and Uplay. Switched to EGS "exclusive" very shortly before release without warning. Still not available on steam to this day unless you have preordered before the switch. Best part of this "exclusive" deal was that it has always been available on PC through Uplay, but gettig it back on steam is a no-no. https://twitter.com/anno_en/status/1311215185114300416?lang=en https://twitter.com/anno_en/status/1311215185114300416?lang=... I could go on but after seeing how Epic had behaved in this market for the last couple for years I find it very hard to accept any excuse they make in good faith.

void_mint 5y ago
You're communicating with me as though I know what you're talking about and disagree with you. In reality I have no idea what you're talking about and am trying to understand. Just so we're crystal clear. So it sounds as though Epic offered exclusive agreements to studios that reneged on other commitments to comply with Epic? Why isn't the anger at those studios? How is Epic at fault for other studios' behavior?
- Laforet 5y ago
  >You're communicating with me as though I know what you're talking about and disagree with you. You came into this discussion with a very strong opinion. It's only natural for other commentators to assume you arrived at that conclusion through your own experiences and research. If your claims of ignorance is genuine, on what grounds are you calling me "toxic" and "misrepresenting" earlier? Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? >So it sounds as though Epic offered exclusive agreements to studios that reneged on other commitments to comply with Epic? Why isn't the anger at those studios? How is Epic at fault for other studios' behavior? The other parties have already received their share of backlash but Epic deserves to be singled out as the instigator. It's one thing to pay indie developers a fat sum to bring their titles as a exclusive - nobody should be too upset about that. However, paying an industry heavyweight like Ubisoft to keep Anno 1800 off Steam is different: The latter has nothing to gain from not publishing their games on Steam, if anything they will miss out on some potential purchases put off by the behavior plus the bad publicity. In other words, this deal would not have happened without Epic reimbursing Ubisoft for the potential losses and fallout, and this kind of malicious anti-competitive is what bothers me.
  - void_mint 5y ago
    > You came into this discussion with a very strong opinion. Yes, the insanely strong opinion of "recite facts instead of injecting opinion". IE, the original post was a bunch of inflammatory nonsense that wrapped "I don't like store exclusives". > Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? You may be excited to learn my first post was exactly a question. > In other words, this deal would not have happened without Epic reimbursing Ubisoft for the potential losses and fallout, and this kind of malicious anti-competitive is what bothers me. The anti competitive behavior of "Have more gamestores than Steam"? I don't really think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation. I'm sorry you do not like store exclusives. I don't think Epic has done anything wrong (as it's just how business works) in this specific instance. We can disagree.
    - Laforet 5y ago
      >the original post was a bunch of inflammatory nonsense The top comment was diplomatic and mine was not. I'm sorry if blunt words hurt any feelings. >Why are you making indictments instead of asking questions? Instead of refuting the points being raised here you immeidately resorted to calling any critical comment "toxic spin". >The anti competitive behavior of "Have more gamestores than Steam"? So lemme get this right. We need to have more game stores......by making games available from fewer game stores. If that how competition works? >I don't really think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation. Agreed. You could have summed up everything in one sentence "Epic can do nothing wrong" and that would probably sound less apologetic.