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Anyone that has been in the industry long enough and has worked with Apple in any capacity knows that Apple is hostile to their users and their partners. Apple
by iJohnDoe 5y ago
Anyone that has been in the industry long enough and has worked with Apple in any capacity knows that Apple is hostile to their users and their partners. Apple always does what is in the best interest of Apple. Everything else is just marketing.
- goalieca 5y ago> Apple always does what is in the best interest of Apple. Everything else is just marketing. I don’t truly believe Apple is interested in user privacy as a core value but it is a hell of a differentiator compared to Google. On this topic, my interests and theirs happen to align for the time being.
- tmashb 5y agoApproach and hypocrisy matters. Apple did boast about privacy and security many times before...
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- Siira 5y agoYou can't win in a duopoly.
- kwere 5y agoyeah but with buzz marketing you can catch the fat cutsomer and avoid antitrust oversee
- NicoJuicy 5y agoRemember iAd? Didn't work, so they try something else to differentiate. If this wouldn't work, they will just adjust targets.
- simondotau 5y agoYou have the causation inverted here. iAd failed because they refused to compromise on user privacy.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoYou have the timeline wrong. They failed for multiple reasons: > With tight creative control of ads, an insistence on taking a 30% cut of all ad revenues, and a prickly attitude to sharing customer data, the platform won few fans in the media industry. But iAd launched before their "protection of user privacy' stance. Not after it. = They couldn't monetize it, so only after that they attack it and "protect user privacy".
- simondotau 5y ago> But iAd launched before their "protection of user privacy' stance. Not after it. That's a disingenuous claim. While iAd did predate Apple pushing privacy as a mainstream marketing angle, it certainly did not predate Apple taking a strong position on consumer privacy. This had been a theme in Apple's corporate decisions for at least the past fifteen years, likely longer. Furthermore your own quoted paragraph belies your own assertion. iAd failed in part because of Apple's "prickly attitude to sharing customer data". Quotes from a contemporary article: But advertisers became increasingly perturbed that Apple refused to give them access to the wealth of data iAd had on its consumers from Apple’s hundreds of millions of iTunes accounts. Stefan Bardega, media agency ZenithOptimedia’s chief digital officer, told us: “iAd has long been a story of unfulfilled potential. Apple has unique customer level data that is hugely interesting to advertisers but has struggled to access that data in a way that doesn’t conflict with the core business.” Another media agency ... said: “For me, they never understood that they needed to behave like a media owner, rather they could go it alone charging what they wanted, not sharing data, no third-party tracking...” https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-apple-is-pulling-direct-sales-support-for-iad-2016-1?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-apple-is-pulling-dire...
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- sneak 5y agoApple does a lot to actively destroy the privacy of iOS users, though. They assume you desire privacy from everyone but Apple. You can’t even get free iOS apps without giving them your phone number.
- spicybright 5y agoI absolutely agree, but you COULD say one company holding your data is better than lots of them having it too.
- dontblink 5y agoWho do you think has been a better steward? One thing to consider is the security lapses of each. What company has the best security record?
- spicybright 5y agoI have no knowledge in general of this stuff, but my assumption is that your average company is horrible with security, but huge corporations dump tons of money into security (being a big target with the most users) making it more effective. Not saying breaches never happen with apple or google of course, it's just less often than your trusty todo list app being pwned and your clear text passwords being dumped online. You raise a very good point though. You can't judge the security of a company by any metric except their record. It would be interesting to have a registry that logs breaches, how severe they are, and give an overall rating to them.
- SahAssar 5y agoThat depends if they all get the same data. I'd much rather have multiple services, each of them isolated to the data that is relevant to providing their specific service than one service having it all.
- koolba 5y agoSince when do you need a phone number for iOS? How would that work on an iPad?
- crossroadsguy 5y agoAnd that’s also an exact recipe of how to prioritise decisions that help (or seem to help) only in the short term. Luckily they’re too expensive to be the biggest player in most of the world. But they’re part of a duopoly.
- elcomet 5y agoIsn't that the case for every company ? Why would a company do something in the interest of the consumer if it was not in their interest ? Competition is what's supposed to take care of this
- dpatterbee 5y agoUnfortunately it's possible for competition to not resolve things to the benefit of the consumer, that's where regulation typically steps in. I'm not necessarily implying that that's required in this case, just that things aren't as simple as competition == consumer wins.
- osrec 5y agoWell exactly, but they have convinced (brainwashed?) a bunch of their users that they're really on their side. In my experience, Android users are generally not plagued by this misconception to as great an extent.
- temp667 5y agoHuh? This wasn't an apple hack. This was developers using counterfeit xcode I believe, and those developers apps were then hacked using non-genuine development tools. The lesson here is that it's probably important to do things like the non-apple battery warnings etc because the scammers and hackers will not stop attacking the platform.
- Godel_unicode 5y agoApple knew about a huge compromise of their users devices. Despite all of their marketing material talking about how much they value customer security and privacy, they made a business decision to not notify the affected users. The lesson here is that you cannot rely on Apple to act in your interest if they think doing so will hurt them. Note that they aren't special here, any other company will probably act similarly, the difference is that Apple apologists would have you believe they, ahem, think differently.
- temp667 5y agoDo android handset makers do these notifications? I mean - it's very likely that a LOT of chinese apps in particular (which these were) may have security holes, including ones that are there for govt purposes. Did the directly affected companies do the notifications? I thought Apple had sort of a separate setup in china (data center etc) to mitigate some of the issues there impacting the rest of their user base.
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- jsjohnst 5y ago> Apple knew about a huge compromise of their users devices. Despite all of their marketing material talking about how much they value customer security and privacy, they made a business decision to not notify the affected users. Important thing to keep in mind is that the emails in the article were from 2015, not 2021. Apple was not marketing privacy as heavily back then as they do now. Not trying to justify their action back then at all, as I firmly believe they should’ve notified users, but context matters imho.
- lscotte 5y agoThere's a point where the reality distortion field fails.
- xtat 5y agoYep this. It's also standard operating procedure among Bay Area tech. They're great at feel good marketing but when it comes down to actions it's all about numero uno.
- musicale 5y ago> Apple is hostile to their users This doesn't match my anecdata, but perhaps things have changed in the past few years.
- anm89 5y agoThings have most definitely massively changed in the last few years. They used to have to pretend to be the good guys. They are going to make gobs of money no matter what now and much less pretending is required.
- raspasov 5y agoThis is the exact definition of a bullshit statement. Never pretend to speak for a loosely defined group of people that you DEFINITELY don't represent.
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- dang 5y agoPlease don't post generic flamebait to HN. No, we're not pro-$bigco or anti-$bigco. HN comments just need to be better than this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html