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yeah, this is a problem i've solved by learning what brands are internally consistent with their sizing. i know my size in Levi's, and as long as they don't su

yeah, this is a problem i've solved by learning what brands are internally consistent with their sizing. i know my size in Levi's, and as long as they don't suddenly start making 36/32 jeans fit differently than they used to, i'll keep ordering from them without having to worry about fit.

spicybright 6y ago
Guy jeans are real easy because those numbers are actual measurements. Woman's jeans just change that to a single number that changes through the years. Uhg, so annoying.
- wyre 6y ago
  The inseam is but the waist usually isn’t. It’s just standardized between brands much more than women’s jeans.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  No they aren't. I got two pairs of jeans from the same (house) brand in the same store at the same time. I tried on one of them in the store, and naively assumed the other would fit too. There was a 5 cm (2 inch) difference.
  - robbrown451 6y ago
    I don't think she was implying that the sizes are always correct. But they are actual dimensions, i.e. inches. As opposed to "size 8", which is relatively meaningless.
    - spicybright 6y ago
      What really pisses me off too is the size drifts to make you think you're going down pant sizes. So every so years you need to try clothes on again to get your new number. Pair that with covid not letting you try things on and it just plain sucks. Sometimes I have to try shotgunning it so I'm not making 3 trips to the store just to try a new number.
fortran77 6y ago
A Levi's "36" today is probably more like 39 inches. In fact, most companies have been "vanity sizing" to make people feel better. The worst offender is "Old Navy" where a 36" is actually a whopping 41 inches. It seems like men won't buy pants that are labeled over 39 inches, so as sizes go up from 30 inches, the "vanity" excess goes up exponentially. See: https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a8386/pants-size-chart-090710/ https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a8386/pants-size-...
- dataflow 6y ago
  How is vanity sizing not false advertising?!
  - notatoad 6y ago
    because they don't make any claim that a size 38 is 38 inches. they used to be, but these days a "size 38" designation doesn't carry any more actual meaning than women's clothing sizes like "size 0"
  - maerF0x0 6y ago
    No one is getting mad or feeling bad about fitting a smaller size than they've earned. It takes a complaint for it to be an issue.
jasonladuke0311 6y ago
Levi's is one of the worst offenders. There is such a massive sizing variance that I stopped buying them years ago unless I found them in a store.
- dataflow 6y ago
  Yeah, I've had Levi's in front of me where nominally "smaller" sizes of the exact same jeans were visibly bigger. For the life of me I don't understand why measuring jeans to better than an inch is so hard in the 21st century. How is there no incentive for them to fix this? Do they profit from giving people the wrong size?
  - jiveturkey 6y ago
    i think i figured it out. they measure cut sew dye wash. the size changes during the wash, variably depending on the dye and randomness. it would be cost prohibitive to control for this so instead you get size variability which is fine because most people buy in store.
    - dataflow 6y ago
      I'm not sure what wash you're referring to, but I'm talking about brand new jeans. Can't they measure whatever they want at the end of manufacture instead of the beginning? It's not like the consumer wears anything but the end product. The error bars are ridiculous.
      - jiveturkey 6y ago
        brand new jeans are washed before you get them. it gives them the texture. i noticed that a certain jean i buy fit consistently only within a given dye and wash. darker pair or different wash fit differently.
        dataflow 6y ago
        Yeah I get that they're washed, but I don't care if they're washed... can't they just measure something after the wash? Is what I'm asking. I'm talking about the exact same dye btw. Like the same color, number, everything. Only difference is sizes. I've gotten smaller sizes an inch larger than the "larger" sizes for the exact same jeans. It's ridiculous.

spicybright 6y ago

Guy jeans are real easy because those numbers are actual measurements. Woman's jeans just change that to a single number that changes through the years. Uhg, so annoying.

wyre 6y ago
The inseam is but the waist usually isn’t. It’s just standardized between brands much more than women’s jeans.
tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
No they aren't. I got two pairs of jeans from the same (house) brand in the same store at the same time. I tried on one of them in the store, and naively assumed the other would fit too. There was a 5 cm (2 inch) difference.
- robbrown451 6y ago
  I don't think she was implying that the sizes are always correct. But they are actual dimensions, i.e. inches. As opposed to "size 8", which is relatively meaningless.
  - spicybright 6y ago
    What really pisses me off too is the size drifts to make you think you're going down pant sizes. So every so years you need to try clothes on again to get your new number. Pair that with covid not letting you try things on and it just plain sucks. Sometimes I have to try shotgunning it so I'm not making 3 trips to the store just to try a new number.

fortran77 6y ago

A Levi's "36" today is probably more like 39 inches. In fact, most companies have been "vanity sizing" to make people feel better. The worst offender is "Old Navy" where a 36" is actually a whopping 41 inches. It seems like men won't buy pants that are labeled over 39 inches, so as sizes go up from 30 inches, the "vanity" excess goes up exponentially. See: https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a8386/pants-size-chart-090710/ https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a8386/pants-size-...

dataflow 6y ago
How is vanity sizing not false advertising?!
- notatoad 6y ago
  because they don't make any claim that a size 38 is 38 inches. they used to be, but these days a "size 38" designation doesn't carry any more actual meaning than women's clothing sizes like "size 0"
- maerF0x0 6y ago
  No one is getting mad or feeling bad about fitting a smaller size than they've earned. It takes a complaint for it to be an issue.

jasonladuke0311 6y ago

Levi's is one of the worst offenders. There is such a massive sizing variance that I stopped buying them years ago unless I found them in a store.

dataflow 6y ago
Yeah, I've had Levi's in front of me where nominally "smaller" sizes of the exact same jeans were visibly bigger. For the life of me I don't understand why measuring jeans to better than an inch is so hard in the 21st century. How is there no incentive for them to fix this? Do they profit from giving people the wrong size?
- jiveturkey 6y ago
  i think i figured it out. they measure cut sew dye wash. the size changes during the wash, variably depending on the dye and randomness. it would be cost prohibitive to control for this so instead you get size variability which is fine because most people buy in store.
  - dataflow 6y ago
    I'm not sure what wash you're referring to, but I'm talking about brand new jeans. Can't they measure whatever they want at the end of manufacture instead of the beginning? It's not like the consumer wears anything but the end product. The error bars are ridiculous.
    - jiveturkey 6y ago
      brand new jeans are washed before you get them. it gives them the texture. i noticed that a certain jean i buy fit consistently only within a given dye and wash. darker pair or different wash fit differently.
      - dataflow 6y ago
        Yeah I get that they're washed, but I don't care if they're washed... can't they just measure something after the wash? Is what I'm asking. I'm talking about the exact same dye btw. Like the same color, number, everything. Only difference is sizes. I've gotten smaller sizes an inch larger than the "larger" sizes for the exact same jeans. It's ridiculous.