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Agreed. One of the best restaurants I’ve ever eaten at had a single 8.5x11 slip of paper for the main menu (and a weighty tome for the wine menu). Another plac

by 542458 5y ago

Agreed. One of the best restaurants I’ve ever eaten at had a single 8.5x11 slip of paper for the main menu (and a weighty tome for the wine menu). Another place we never even got a menu - the food just started appearing, much to our confusion! Apparently it was a prix fixe multi-course meal arrangement, and you get whatever you get - the server had assumed we knew. The food was fabulous, but it took three hours longer than we had planned to spend.

bluefirebrand 5y ago
> Apparently it was a prix fixe multi-course meal arrangement, and you get whatever you get I find this unfathomable. What if you have allergies? I guess just don't eat there. But the server assumed you knew? Wild.
- L_Rahman 5y ago
  Places like this ask about your dietary restrictions during either the reservation or before the beginning of service. The chef will make on the fly adjustments based on each diner's needs. My brother and I went to Eleven Madison Park back in 2016 and mentioned my allergies ahead of time. Not only did they plan alternatives for me, they even included them in the printed out menu that they give to each diner as they leave as a memento of the meal.
  - schemathings 5y ago
    Funny, Eleven Madison Park's chef was the subject of NPR's How I Built This last week https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this .. May 3 episode.
- ghaff 5y ago
  Normally, I would assume it would be at least written on a blackboard somewhere. That said, outside of the US, my sense is that there's less attention paid to food allergy concerns so, if you have anything of note, it's mostly on you to be pro-active and careful.
  - dEnigma 5y ago
    That's certainly not the case for the EU. "All hospitality establishments in Europe are now required to declare ingredients contained in their foods that may induce allergies or food intolerances." https://www.wko.at/branchen/tourismus-freizeitwirtschaft/gastronomie/Allergeninfos-English.html https://www.wko.at/branchen/tourismus-freizeitwirtschaft/gas...
  - username_taco 5y ago
    Certainly not true in Italy - as a person who eats gluten free, it was an order of magnitude easier to find alternative options in many cities in Italy than it is in San Francisco.
- jghn 5y ago
  As L_Rahman said, typically you register your allergies with your reservation. That said, it's entirely possible they're unable/unwilling to accommodate every allergy and/or preference. There are well regarded restaurants near me that only do prix fixe tasting menus that I don't dine at as I know based on what they tend to serve that the likelihood of me being served things I won't want is high, and at that price point it's not worth it to me.
- poloopolo 5y ago
  As they say, the onus is on the allergic to survive not on the allergen
- nactivint 5y ago
  I have a fairly mild case of Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), and I wound up at one of these places with co-workers in San Francisco one time. This is basically a nightmare scenario for me. I'm socially expected to eat, and I'm presented with strange dishes and lots of unwanted attention when I inevitably don't eat. But we spoke with the server, and she found me a dish from the prix fixe arrangement that I could eat, and spent the night just making sure there was always some of that dish on the table. Everything went better than expected. Sure, I don't have to be worried about death from being exposed to food I won't eat, but I could've called ahead, and would've, if the stakes were that high. I guess all that's to say: good restaurants are pretty accommodating, even when they aren't doing the normal menu thing. It's really not that crazy.
  - sneak 5y ago
    > I'm socially expected to eat, and I'm presented with strange dishes and lots of unwanted attention when I inevitably don't eat. I'm a very similar way as you wrt food, but not the social pressure part. I don't like eating in professional settings (eating is messy, for one), so I will usually eat alone beforehand and then only order something very small and light (or even just beverages) at the meeting meal. The social pressure thing I find to be easily deflected. Same goes at bar/drinking events. I don't like drinking alcohol but everyone seems to report perceived pressure to drink alcohol at such things. I haven't found drinking nonalcoholic things to be the big hassle others claim it to be. I think people build up the expectations more than they actually are in reality. Most other people don't really care that much what you're eating or drinking, if they are eating or drinking what they like.
    - kortilla 5y ago
      It really depends on the culture. If you’re invited to meals and you consistently don’t eat, you will just stop getting invited (unless they are formal meetings). WRT drinking, it can take a lot longer to build trust without the shared alcohol experiences. You’re correct that there isn’t direct social pressure, but you end up getting left out of “after-event” drinks as well. I noticed these things when I had to go on a strict diet with no alcohol for about a year. You might argue that nothing important happens during non-formal events, but that’s a big mistake.

by 542458 5y ago

bluefirebrand 5y ago

> Apparently it was a prix fixe multi-course meal arrangement, and you get whatever you get I find this unfathomable. What if you have allergies? I guess just don't eat there. But the server assumed you knew? Wild.

L_Rahman 5y ago
Places like this ask about your dietary restrictions during either the reservation or before the beginning of service. The chef will make on the fly adjustments based on each diner's needs. My brother and I went to Eleven Madison Park back in 2016 and mentioned my allergies ahead of time. Not only did they plan alternatives for me, they even included them in the printed out menu that they give to each diner as they leave as a memento of the meal.
- schemathings 5y ago
  Funny, Eleven Madison Park's chef was the subject of NPR's How I Built This last week https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this .. May 3 episode.
ghaff 5y ago
Normally, I would assume it would be at least written on a blackboard somewhere. That said, outside of the US, my sense is that there's less attention paid to food allergy concerns so, if you have anything of note, it's mostly on you to be pro-active and careful.
- dEnigma 5y ago
  That's certainly not the case for the EU. "All hospitality establishments in Europe are now required to declare ingredients contained in their foods that may induce allergies or food intolerances." https://www.wko.at/branchen/tourismus-freizeitwirtschaft/gastronomie/Allergeninfos-English.html https://www.wko.at/branchen/tourismus-freizeitwirtschaft/gas...
- username_taco 5y ago
  Certainly not true in Italy - as a person who eats gluten free, it was an order of magnitude easier to find alternative options in many cities in Italy than it is in San Francisco.
jghn 5y ago
As L_Rahman said, typically you register your allergies with your reservation. That said, it's entirely possible they're unable/unwilling to accommodate every allergy and/or preference. There are well regarded restaurants near me that only do prix fixe tasting menus that I don't dine at as I know based on what they tend to serve that the likelihood of me being served things I won't want is high, and at that price point it's not worth it to me.
poloopolo 5y ago
As they say, the onus is on the allergic to survive not on the allergen
nactivint 5y ago
I have a fairly mild case of Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), and I wound up at one of these places with co-workers in San Francisco one time. This is basically a nightmare scenario for me. I'm socially expected to eat, and I'm presented with strange dishes and lots of unwanted attention when I inevitably don't eat. But we spoke with the server, and she found me a dish from the prix fixe arrangement that I could eat, and spent the night just making sure there was always some of that dish on the table. Everything went better than expected. Sure, I don't have to be worried about death from being exposed to food I won't eat, but I could've called ahead, and would've, if the stakes were that high. I guess all that's to say: good restaurants are pretty accommodating, even when they aren't doing the normal menu thing. It's really not that crazy.
- sneak 5y ago
  > I'm socially expected to eat, and I'm presented with strange dishes and lots of unwanted attention when I inevitably don't eat. I'm a very similar way as you wrt food, but not the social pressure part. I don't like eating in professional settings (eating is messy, for one), so I will usually eat alone beforehand and then only order something very small and light (or even just beverages) at the meeting meal. The social pressure thing I find to be easily deflected. Same goes at bar/drinking events. I don't like drinking alcohol but everyone seems to report perceived pressure to drink alcohol at such things. I haven't found drinking nonalcoholic things to be the big hassle others claim it to be. I think people build up the expectations more than they actually are in reality. Most other people don't really care that much what you're eating or drinking, if they are eating or drinking what they like.
  - kortilla 5y ago
    It really depends on the culture. If you’re invited to meals and you consistently don’t eat, you will just stop getting invited (unless they are formal meetings). WRT drinking, it can take a lot longer to build trust without the shared alcohol experiences. You’re correct that there isn’t direct social pressure, but you end up getting left out of “after-event” drinks as well. I noticed these things when I had to go on a strict diet with no alcohol for about a year. You might argue that nothing important happens during non-formal events, but that’s a big mistake.