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> macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based So it is indeed broken. The fact that it's not humanly po

by thiht 6y ago

> macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based So it is indeed broken. The fact that it's not humanly possible to fullscreen Safari without Spectacle/Rectangle clearly means it's broken, whether it's what th ey wanted or not.

fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality. This is a case of people not used to the Mac conventions disliking that Macs don't work like Windows. And, as I've pointed out, both behaviors are possible on macOS out of the box.
- thiht 6y ago
  > I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality Why? This makes absolutely no sense. It's the same thing as macOS' windows not closing when you close them. It's stupid. They should copy Windows on what makes sense.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
    Because I use a 55" TV a lot, and it's useful to make Preview or whatever just big enough that I can see an entire page without being too big to fit in the "comfortable reading" part of the screen. (I also like the App/Window/Document model of macOS)
  - wruza 6y ago
    Maximizing sites that take 1024 px out of 1920 or even 2560 px doesn’t really make any sense. macOS' windows not closing when you close them Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd. The same for forcing you to either save or discard documents on quit/reboot.
    - thiht 6y ago
      > Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd ???
      - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
        With macOS’s setup, I can command-tab to any open app (e.g. preview), hit the up arrow and then use the arrow keys to quickly open a recent document. Without the app model macOS uses, this is a lot less convenient, and I miss it every time I use my KDE Plasma Desktop.
        anoncake 6y ago
        If you use the cascading Application Menu widget, Win -- Arrow Down -- Arrow Right gets you to the recent files menu.
    - amyjess 6y ago
      I don't want to have any non-maximized windows on my screen. I despise overlapping windows, and I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone.
      - reaperducer 6y ago
        I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone. So run them in full-screen mode. No one is stopping you. I hardly ever run into a program on macOS that doesn't support full-screen. View → Enter Full Screen, or Control+Option+F.
      - wruza 6y ago
        If that’s your preference, just do it. My comment wasn’t not about you or me, it was about what you get if you choose macos, how it works, and the reasoning behind that. This “I want how I want” sounds like a christian complaint in a mosque.
      - tambourine_man 6y ago
  - einherjae 6y ago
    Why does it make sense that an application must have windows to keep running?
    - anoncake 6y ago
      It's more intuitive for non-technical users, in my experience.
      - anoncake 5y ago
        Is there even a pattern behind what gets downvoted here?
    - lazide 6y ago
      Not doing that results in closing everything you can see easily in the GUI but it’s still burning RAM and being obnoxious where you can’t easily see it. If I wanted that to happen, I’d tell it to do that.
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    Why, if I want to close one document and open another, should it matter which order I do this in?
  - deergomoo 6y ago
    > This makes absolutely no sense I don’t understand the fascination with maximising windows, especially web browsers. What the hell is the point of filling my screen with the window when, for the vast majority of websites, half or more of it is gonna be empty margin?
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      Kiosks/dashboards where the display is what matters, not the navigation.
    - thiht 5y ago
      Centering. If it's not fullscreen, it's hard to center the windows properly, and I hate looking at a floating window.
tambourine_man 6y ago
The Mac has behaved like that since the classic days. This is the platform that invented overlapping windows. They aren't supposed to be maximized, as it's almost always a waste of screen real estate. You're just used to other platforms.
- lazide 6y ago
  Then why does basically every other application, including Apple provided ones, work correctly?
  - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
    They don't? Some applications don't seem implement the content-size hints (or "content size" doesn't really make sense: e.g. iTerm) and macOS falls back to using the full screen size: but, Finder, Safari, Preview, Pages and even MS Word all do zoom the way I described.
    - tambourine_man 6y ago
      Exactly. On the surface, it may seem as if we’ve reached a common interface for mainstream desktop OSs, that one could use Windows and macOS interchangeably. But there are still fundamental concepts that are unique to the Mac that always trip Windows users, namely, apps that keep running after all windows are closed and maximize vs full screen. There’s obviously a common ground that has evolved over the years, but you must understand the platform in order to appreciate its subtleties or you’re bound to be frustrated.
      - lazide 5y ago
        Eh, I’ve been using MacOS as my daily driver for at least a decade. Before that was a variety of window managers on Ubuntu and Slackware. 20 years ago, and randomly when I can’t avoid it I’ve used windows. But I’m far from a fan. A lot of just plain silly defaults and UX weirdness gets attributed to some massive usability genius, but near a I can tell (from using all the platforms), it’s just designers making what could be straightforward functionality overly hidden or obtuse because of UX purity and insider cachet with power users or whatever - ending up with changes/behavior for everyone that is surprising and ends up getting in the way for people. I have actual work to do, I don’t want to have to learn yet another secret handshake gesture in this version of MacOS or turn off new settings to stop it from screen locking me if I accidentally bump my mouse over. Example - this thread and others like it, or the massive numbers of bug reports and forum complaints on the hot corner screen lock functionality when it came out. and now windows is copying it, yuck.

by thiht 6y ago

fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago

I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality. This is a case of people not used to the Mac conventions disliking that Macs don't work like Windows. And, as I've pointed out, both behaviors are possible on macOS out of the box.

thiht 6y ago
> I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality Why? This makes absolutely no sense. It's the same thing as macOS' windows not closing when you close them. It's stupid. They should copy Windows on what makes sense.
- fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
  Because I use a 55" TV a lot, and it's useful to make Preview or whatever just big enough that I can see an entire page without being too big to fit in the "comfortable reading" part of the screen. (I also like the App/Window/Document model of macOS)
- wruza 6y ago
  Maximizing sites that take 1024 px out of 1920 or even 2560 px doesn’t really make any sense. macOS' windows not closing when you close them Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd. The same for forcing you to either save or discard documents on quit/reboot.
  - thiht 6y ago
    > Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd ???
    - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
      With macOS’s setup, I can command-tab to any open app (e.g. preview), hit the up arrow and then use the arrow keys to quickly open a recent document. Without the app model macOS uses, this is a lot less convenient, and I miss it every time I use my KDE Plasma Desktop.
      - anoncake 6y ago
        If you use the cascading Application Menu widget, Win -- Arrow Down -- Arrow Right gets you to the recent files menu.
  - amyjess 6y ago
    I don't want to have any non-maximized windows on my screen. I despise overlapping windows, and I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone.
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone. So run them in full-screen mode. No one is stopping you. I hardly ever run into a program on macOS that doesn't support full-screen. View → Enter Full Screen, or Control+Option+F.
    - wruza 6y ago
      If that’s your preference, just do it. My comment wasn’t not about you or me, it was about what you get if you choose macos, how it works, and the reasoning behind that. This “I want how I want” sounds like a christian complaint in a mosque.
    - tambourine_man 6y ago
- einherjae 6y ago
  Why does it make sense that an application must have windows to keep running?
  - anoncake 6y ago
    It's more intuitive for non-technical users, in my experience.
    - anoncake 5y ago
      Is there even a pattern behind what gets downvoted here?
  - lazide 6y ago
    Not doing that results in closing everything you can see easily in the GUI but it’s still burning RAM and being obnoxious where you can’t easily see it. If I wanted that to happen, I’d tell it to do that.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  Why, if I want to close one document and open another, should it matter which order I do this in?
- deergomoo 6y ago
  > This makes absolutely no sense I don’t understand the fascination with maximising windows, especially web browsers. What the hell is the point of filling my screen with the window when, for the vast majority of websites, half or more of it is gonna be empty margin?
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    Kiosks/dashboards where the display is what matters, not the navigation.
  - thiht 5y ago
    Centering. If it's not fullscreen, it's hard to center the windows properly, and I hate looking at a floating window.

tambourine_man 6y ago

The Mac has behaved like that since the classic days. This is the platform that invented overlapping windows. They aren't supposed to be maximized, as it's almost always a waste of screen real estate. You're just used to other platforms.

lazide 6y ago
Then why does basically every other application, including Apple provided ones, work correctly?
- fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
  They don't? Some applications don't seem implement the content-size hints (or "content size" doesn't really make sense: e.g. iTerm) and macOS falls back to using the full screen size: but, Finder, Safari, Preview, Pages and even MS Word all do zoom the way I described.
  - tambourine_man 6y ago
    Exactly. On the surface, it may seem as if we’ve reached a common interface for mainstream desktop OSs, that one could use Windows and macOS interchangeably. But there are still fundamental concepts that are unique to the Mac that always trip Windows users, namely, apps that keep running after all windows are closed and maximize vs full screen. There’s obviously a common ground that has evolved over the years, but you must understand the platform in order to appreciate its subtleties or you’re bound to be frustrated.
    - lazide 5y ago
      Eh, I’ve been using MacOS as my daily driver for at least a decade. Before that was a variety of window managers on Ubuntu and Slackware. 20 years ago, and randomly when I can’t avoid it I’ve used windows. But I’m far from a fan. A lot of just plain silly defaults and UX weirdness gets attributed to some massive usability genius, but near a I can tell (from using all the platforms), it’s just designers making what could be straightforward functionality overly hidden or obtuse because of UX purity and insider cachet with power users or whatever - ending up with changes/behavior for everyone that is surprising and ends up getting in the way for people. I have actual work to do, I don’t want to have to learn yet another secret handshake gesture in this version of MacOS or turn off new settings to stop it from screen locking me if I accidentally bump my mouse over. Example - this thread and others like it, or the massive numbers of bug reports and forum complaints on the hot corner screen lock functionality when it came out. and now windows is copying it, yuck.