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I bought a pinephone because I don't like this. The result has been that I don't get to participate in the family group chat (and Apple has made the UI in the m

by swiley 5y ago

I bought a pinephone because I don't like this. The result has been that I don't get to participate in the family group chat (and Apple has made the UI in the messaging app manipulative enough that we haven't managed to make an alternative group.) Apple has separated me from my mother because I don't agree with them.

ericmay 5y ago
I hate to sound callous here, but what is this supposed to convince me of? I don’t have or use Facebook or Instagram, or Snapchat, or TikTok because I don’t agree with them and miss out on lots of things - I don’t get invited to some events or form relationships that others do. So what? I guess these companies are separating me from my friends and family. How dare they!
- curryst 5y ago
  The default text communication application on the phone silently converts messages into a proprietary format, and it only barely interoperates with SMS. If it came with some kind of proprietary voice system that only barely worked with Android phones, people would be out with pitchforks. I don't have a problem with apps doing proprietary things. I do have a problem with the default app pushing you and everyone you know to buy an iPhone so you don't have to deal with the screwed up SMS integration. They're abusing their prevalence in the marketplace by making their messaging incompatible with others. What if Facebook made a phone OS and made the default messaging app WhatsAppPlus, which can only be accessed from a Facebook phone, would that not be an issue?
samatman 5y ago
I'm one of the people who agrees that what Apple is doing is anti-competitive: they shouldn't have the right to dictate what apps run on their phones, and should be required to allow side-loading. But I also think that families definitely have the right to choose which app they use for the group chat, even if it's only available on one platform. You separated yourself from your mother, because you don't agree with Apple. Put like that, maybe you can pick yourself up a cheap iPod Touch and say hi? It's Mother's Day tomorrow, I'm sure she'd like it.
- swiley 5y ago
  So in other words we don't actually have a choice. You can't have it both ways. I do have an OSX VM (these are always a major bitch to set up) which let me stay in the group chat for a while but Apple changed something in my account and now it doesn't work. I suspect an iPod touch would work the same way.

by swiley 5y ago

ericmay 5y ago

I hate to sound callous here, but what is this supposed to convince me of? I don’t have or use Facebook or Instagram, or Snapchat, or TikTok because I don’t agree with them and miss out on lots of things - I don’t get invited to some events or form relationships that others do. So what? I guess these companies are separating me from my friends and family. How dare they!

curryst 5y ago
The default text communication application on the phone silently converts messages into a proprietary format, and it only barely interoperates with SMS. If it came with some kind of proprietary voice system that only barely worked with Android phones, people would be out with pitchforks. I don't have a problem with apps doing proprietary things. I do have a problem with the default app pushing you and everyone you know to buy an iPhone so you don't have to deal with the screwed up SMS integration. They're abusing their prevalence in the marketplace by making their messaging incompatible with others. What if Facebook made a phone OS and made the default messaging app WhatsAppPlus, which can only be accessed from a Facebook phone, would that not be an issue?

samatman 5y ago

I'm one of the people who agrees that what Apple is doing is anti-competitive: they shouldn't have the right to dictate what apps run on their phones, and should be required to allow side-loading. But I also think that families definitely have the right to choose which app they use for the group chat, even if it's only available on one platform. You separated yourself from your mother, because you don't agree with Apple. Put like that, maybe you can pick yourself up a cheap iPod Touch and say hi? It's Mother's Day tomorrow, I'm sure she'd like it.

swiley 5y ago
So in other words we don't actually have a choice. You can't have it both ways. I do have an OSX VM (these are always a major bitch to set up) which let me stay in the group chat for a while but Apple changed something in my account and now it doesn't work. I suspect an iPod touch would work the same way.