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First thing that came to my mind when I opened this: hey let's test if maximization is just as broken as in real MacOS. And oh my god it is indeed! Safari won't

First thing that came to my mind when I opened this: hey let's test if maximization is just as broken as in real MacOS. And oh my god it is indeed! Safari won't maximize to the entire screen, just like in the real thing, and other apps like the terminal maximize correctly. Wow, this level of attention to detail is really crazy! :-)

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based: I like this, but some applications to implement the necessary hints and so it falls back to zooming to full screen. macOS’s resizing has some useful functionality here: dragging an edge resizes in that direction, double-clicking an edge maximizes in that direction (including diagonally) and option+any of these resizes the opposite side of the window as well. So, if you hold option and double-click a corner, it’ll do a Windows-style maximize.
- thiht 5y ago
  > macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based So it is indeed broken. The fact that it's not humanly possible to fullscreen Safari without Spectacle/Rectangle clearly means it's broken, whether it's what th ey wanted or not.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality. This is a case of people not used to the Mac conventions disliking that Macs don't work like Windows. And, as I've pointed out, both behaviors are possible on macOS out of the box.
    - thiht 5y ago
      > I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality Why? This makes absolutely no sense. It's the same thing as macOS' windows not closing when you close them. It's stupid. They should copy Windows on what makes sense.
      - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        Because I use a 55" TV a lot, and it's useful to make Preview or whatever just big enough that I can see an entire page without being too big to fit in the "comfortable reading" part of the screen. (I also like the App/Window/Document model of macOS)
      - wruza 5y ago
        Maximizing sites that take 1024 px out of 1920 or even 2560 px doesn’t really make any sense. macOS' windows not closing when you close them Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd. The same for forcing you to either save or discard documents on quit/reboot.
        thiht 5y ago
        > Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd ???
        fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        With macOS’s setup, I can command-tab to any open app (e.g. preview), hit the up arrow and then use the arrow keys to quickly open a recent document. Without the app model macOS uses, this is a lot less convenient, and I miss it every time I use my KDE Plasma Desktop.
        anoncake 5y ago
        If you use the cascading Application Menu widget, Win -- Arrow Down -- Arrow Right gets you to the recent files menu.
        amyjess 5y ago
        I don't want to have any non-maximized windows on my screen. I despise overlapping windows, and I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone.
  - tambourine_man 5y ago
    The Mac has behaved like that since the classic days. This is the platform that invented overlapping windows. They aren't supposed to be maximized, as it's almost always a waste of screen real estate. You're just used to other platforms.
    - lazide 5y ago
      Then why does basically every other application, including Apple provided ones, work correctly?
      - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        They don't? Some applications don't seem implement the content-size hints (or "content size" doesn't really make sense: e.g. iTerm) and macOS falls back to using the full screen size: but, Finder, Safari, Preview, Pages and even MS Word all do zoom the way I described.
        tambourine_man 5y ago
        Exactly. On the surface, it may seem as if we’ve reached a common interface for mainstream desktop OSs, that one could use Windows and macOS interchangeably. But there are still fundamental concepts that are unique to the Mac that always trip Windows users, namely, apps that keep running after all windows are closed and maximize vs full screen. There’s obviously a common ground that has evolved over the years, but you must understand the platform in order to appreciate its subtleties or you’re bound to be frustrated.
        lazide 5y ago
        Eh, I’ve been using MacOS as my daily driver for at least a decade. Before that was a variety of window managers on Ubuntu and Slackware. 20 years ago, and randomly when I can’t avoid it I’ve used windows. But I’m far from a fan. A lot of just plain silly defaults and UX weirdness gets attributed to some massive usability genius, but near a I can tell (from using all the platforms), it’s just designers making what could be straightforward functionality overly hidden or obtuse because of UX purity and insider cachet with power users or whatever - ending up with changes/behavior for everyone that is surprising and ends up getting in the way for people. I have actual work to do, I don’t want to have to learn yet another secret handshake gesture in this version of MacOS or turn off new settings to stop it from screen locking me if I accidentally bump my mouse over. Example - this thread and others like it, or the massive numbers of bug reports and forum complaints on the hot corner screen lock functionality when it came out. and now windows is copying it, yuck.
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  > So, if you hold option and double-click a corner, it’ll do a Windows-style maximize. I've used Linux command lines with more discoverability than that. Good to know if I ever need to use macOS, though, that's a nice trick.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    It depends what you mean by discoverable: option+mouse action is a pretty standard macOS convention for alternate behavior and “double-click == drag all the way” isn’t unreasonable. The behavior of option+double-click is discoverable by simple composition of these features. Also, most of this sort of functionality is documented in the built-in help system accessible through the help menu.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
      (The option+mouse action is also a natural extension of the longstanding macOS convention that control+click == right click.)
    - nactivint 5y ago
      I used macOS for about seven years before someone told me about this behavior. Never would've found it, otherwise. I guess if I had been using it for twenty years I would've known about those old patterns you describe and would've thought to randomly try that key combination. A tooltip at some point would've gone a long way. Pretty much an impossible feature to discover unless you're a toddler randomly pressing buttons or a greybeard that remembers OS 9
      - wruza 5y ago
        If only there was a website that could provide few relevant links to the “macos tips and tricks” query.
      - jspash 5y ago
        macOS user here since 2006. and i never knew about this or even thought to hold a button and click. you learn something new every day!
- dreamer7 5y ago
  Best to just install Rectangle app (formerly Spectacle) and use sane shortcuts like alt+option+enter for full screen.
  - jorvi 5y ago
    I use and like Rectangle a lot, but fullscreening an app on macOS brings real performance and battery benefits. It's not just fancy for being fancy.
    - sverhagen 5y ago
      How is this, does it put other applications to sleep or something?
      - miles 5y ago
        Yes, it's called "App Nap": Apple MacBook Pro lasts 135 minutes longer on battery in full screen mode https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14947703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14947703 Apple MacBook Pro 15: How to get 2 more hours of battery life with this simple trick https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-lasts-135-minutes-longer-on-battery-in-full-screen-mode.239966.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-lasts-135-mi... Why do Macs have a longer battery life when in full screen mode? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Macs-have-a-longer-battery-life-when-in-full-screen-mode https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Macs-have-a-longer-battery-life...
fastball 5y ago
For anyone that hates resizing windows in general on a mac, I've found the combination of using a Hyper Key[1] + Moom[2] to be amazingly ergonomic. Here's a quick demo[3] of what this looks like on my machine. [1] https://brettterpstra.com/2017/06/15/a-hyper-key-with-karabiner-elements-full-instructions/ https://brettterpstra.com/2017/06/15/a-hyper-key-with-karabi... [2] https://manytricks.com/moom/ https://manytricks.com/moom/ [3] https://my.supernotes.app/share/wire+unaware+noble+meadow https://my.supernotes.app/share/wire+unaware+noble+meadow
charrondev 5y ago
I quite like window management through https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/ https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/ magnet. You get keyboard shortcuts for tiling things and can drag/snap to edges of the screen.
resist_futility 5y ago
Double click the top/title bar to maximize a window, it's easier to hit since you have one giant area at the top of the window to click on too

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based: I like this, but some applications to implement the necessary hints and so it falls back to zooming to full screen. macOS’s resizing has some useful functionality here: dragging an edge resizes in that direction, double-clicking an edge maximizes in that direction (including diagonally) and option+any of these resizes the opposite side of the window as well. So, if you hold option and double-click a corner, it’ll do a Windows-style maximize.

thiht 5y ago
> macOS’s zoom functionality isn’t broken, it’s just content-size based rather than screen-size based So it is indeed broken. The fact that it's not humanly possible to fullscreen Safari without Spectacle/Rectangle clearly means it's broken, whether it's what th ey wanted or not.
- fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
  I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality. This is a case of people not used to the Mac conventions disliking that Macs don't work like Windows. And, as I've pointed out, both behaviors are possible on macOS out of the box.
  - thiht 5y ago
    > I generally prefer the content-based zoom functionality Why? This makes absolutely no sense. It's the same thing as macOS' windows not closing when you close them. It's stupid. They should copy Windows on what makes sense.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
      Because I use a 55" TV a lot, and it's useful to make Preview or whatever just big enough that I can see an entire page without being too big to fit in the "comfortable reading" part of the screen. (I also like the App/Window/Document model of macOS)
    - wruza 5y ago
      Maximizing sites that take 1024 px out of 1920 or even 2560 px doesn’t really make any sense. macOS' windows not closing when you close them Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd. The same for forcing you to either save or discard documents on quit/reboot.
      - thiht 5y ago
        > Windows’ apps closing when you close their windows is no less absurd ???
        fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        With macOS’s setup, I can command-tab to any open app (e.g. preview), hit the up arrow and then use the arrow keys to quickly open a recent document. Without the app model macOS uses, this is a lot less convenient, and I miss it every time I use my KDE Plasma Desktop.
        anoncake 5y ago
        If you use the cascading Application Menu widget, Win -- Arrow Down -- Arrow Right gets you to the recent files menu.
      - amyjess 5y ago
        I don't want to have any non-maximized windows on my screen. I despise overlapping windows, and I want every single application I run to be full-screen, just like on a phone.
- tambourine_man 5y ago
  The Mac has behaved like that since the classic days. This is the platform that invented overlapping windows. They aren't supposed to be maximized, as it's almost always a waste of screen real estate. You're just used to other platforms.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Then why does basically every other application, including Apple provided ones, work correctly?
    - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
      They don't? Some applications don't seem implement the content-size hints (or "content size" doesn't really make sense: e.g. iTerm) and macOS falls back to using the full screen size: but, Finder, Safari, Preview, Pages and even MS Word all do zoom the way I described.
      - tambourine_man 5y ago
        Exactly. On the surface, it may seem as if we’ve reached a common interface for mainstream desktop OSs, that one could use Windows and macOS interchangeably. But there are still fundamental concepts that are unique to the Mac that always trip Windows users, namely, apps that keep running after all windows are closed and maximize vs full screen. There’s obviously a common ground that has evolved over the years, but you must understand the platform in order to appreciate its subtleties or you’re bound to be frustrated.
        lazide 5y ago
        Eh, I’ve been using MacOS as my daily driver for at least a decade. Before that was a variety of window managers on Ubuntu and Slackware. 20 years ago, and randomly when I can’t avoid it I’ve used windows. But I’m far from a fan. A lot of just plain silly defaults and UX weirdness gets attributed to some massive usability genius, but near a I can tell (from using all the platforms), it’s just designers making what could be straightforward functionality overly hidden or obtuse because of UX purity and insider cachet with power users or whatever - ending up with changes/behavior for everyone that is surprising and ends up getting in the way for people. I have actual work to do, I don’t want to have to learn yet another secret handshake gesture in this version of MacOS or turn off new settings to stop it from screen locking me if I accidentally bump my mouse over. Example - this thread and others like it, or the massive numbers of bug reports and forum complaints on the hot corner screen lock functionality when it came out. and now windows is copying it, yuck.
jeroenhd 5y ago
> So, if you hold option and double-click a corner, it’ll do a Windows-style maximize. I've used Linux command lines with more discoverability than that. Good to know if I ever need to use macOS, though, that's a nice trick.
- fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
  It depends what you mean by discoverable: option+mouse action is a pretty standard macOS convention for alternate behavior and “double-click == drag all the way” isn’t unreasonable. The behavior of option+double-click is discoverable by simple composition of these features. Also, most of this sort of functionality is documented in the built-in help system accessible through the help menu.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    (The option+mouse action is also a natural extension of the longstanding macOS convention that control+click == right click.)
  - nactivint 5y ago
    I used macOS for about seven years before someone told me about this behavior. Never would've found it, otherwise. I guess if I had been using it for twenty years I would've known about those old patterns you describe and would've thought to randomly try that key combination. A tooltip at some point would've gone a long way. Pretty much an impossible feature to discover unless you're a toddler randomly pressing buttons or a greybeard that remembers OS 9
    - wruza 5y ago
      If only there was a website that could provide few relevant links to the “macos tips and tricks” query.
    - jspash 5y ago
      macOS user here since 2006. and i never knew about this or even thought to hold a button and click. you learn something new every day!
dreamer7 5y ago
Best to just install Rectangle app (formerly Spectacle) and use sane shortcuts like alt+option+enter for full screen.
- jorvi 5y ago
  I use and like Rectangle a lot, but fullscreening an app on macOS brings real performance and battery benefits. It's not just fancy for being fancy.
  - sverhagen 5y ago
    How is this, does it put other applications to sleep or something?
    - miles 5y ago
      Yes, it's called "App Nap": Apple MacBook Pro lasts 135 minutes longer on battery in full screen mode https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14947703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14947703 Apple MacBook Pro 15: How to get 2 more hours of battery life with this simple trick https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-lasts-135-minutes-longer-on-battery-in-full-screen-mode.239966.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-lasts-135-mi... Why do Macs have a longer battery life when in full screen mode? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Macs-have-a-longer-battery-life-when-in-full-screen-mode https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Macs-have-a-longer-battery-life...

fastball 5y ago

For anyone that hates resizing windows in general on a mac, I've found the combination of using a Hyper Key[1] + Moom[2] to be amazingly ergonomic. Here's a quick demo[3] of what this looks like on my machine. [1] https://brettterpstra.com/2017/06/15/a-hyper-key-with-karabiner-elements-full-instructions/ https://brettterpstra.com/2017/06/15/a-hyper-key-with-karabi... [2] https://manytricks.com/moom/ https://manytricks.com/moom/ [3] https://my.supernotes.app/share/wire+unaware+noble+meadow https://my.supernotes.app/share/wire+unaware+noble+meadow

charrondev 5y ago

I quite like window management through https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/ https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/ magnet. You get keyboard shortcuts for tiling things and can drag/snap to edges of the screen.

resist_futility 5y ago

Double click the top/title bar to maximize a window, it's easier to hit since you have one giant area at the top of the window to click on too