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What's the argument for banning porn, anyway?

by pmoriarty 6y ago

dkarras 6y ago
Steve Jobs didn't want it on the platform back in the day. I think that's about it.
- pmoriarty 6y ago
  Did he say why?
  - hellbannedguy 6y ago
    I'm not a prude, but why ruin a family friendly product with porn?
    - pmoriarty 6y ago
      Would it be ruined? It's not difficult to make the porn opt-in, so you wouldn't even see it if you didn't want to.
    - katbyte 6y ago
      and it's certainly readily available via a browser
    - neogodless 6y ago
      Are you talking about computers?
    - dkarras 6y ago
      I mean, we are not saying Apple should have shipped iPhones with porn preinstalled. What is the harm in allowing developers offer porn content FOR PEOPLE THAT SEARCH FOR IT IN THE APP STORE, possibly after turning on a flag for nsfw content? That is not possible, that content is not allowed on the app store, ever. It is their right to do so of course, their store and product and all, but people that support the decision confuse me a bit. There is literally no harm to you if it was allowed. You won't see it unless you search for it.
      - bombcar 6y ago
        Probably because it seems to inherently attract a very “spammy” group that does every trick in the book to appear in front of people, so it would be an endless game of whack-a-mile making sure they didn’t appear in searches.
      - jamil7 6y ago
        Not saying I necessarily agree with the decision but I can imagine there is an argument to be made for moderation. Just banning it outright probably saves them a bunch of money and overhead.
        johnnyanmac 6y ago
        Hate to say I agree. Valve is going through this right now on Steam. They claimed back in 2018 to "allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling. ". In reality over 3 years, those lines became more like a mine field. Up to and including non-sexual Visual Novels that happen to be set in school (something even pre-2018 Steam allowed). It's to a point where it feels like the one who wrote that blog doesn't even work at the company anymore and the new moderators would rather just ban it all over again. Really sucks for devs, but I imagine Valve isn't having a good time either. I think this is ultimately reflective of America's attitudes towards nudity as a whole and their ability to communicate around it. But ultimately, I don't expect some app stores to go up to bat to challenge that stereotype, so I can't blame them for just saying "no, leave that all out". Not unlike political topics on a casual forum.
    - johnnyanmac 6y ago
      Because I don't think a general purpose computing device is inherently family friendly. No more than I think any given day commuting around town is.
  - SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
    The process of creating a family isn't family-friendly.
  - high_derivative 6y ago
    Apple likes a family friendly facade on its products of Chinese slave labour
Blahah 6y ago
It's important to make sure people have to use the least legitimate and most risky sources for anything that hypocrites feel the need to pretend to be morally outraged about. Sex and fun drugs are the classics. The only way to make them seem inherently bad is to force them to be illicit.
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zinclozenge 6y ago
Porn usually has much higher risk for chargebacks when it comes to payment processing.

What's the argument for banning porn, anyway?

dkarras 6y ago

Steve Jobs didn't want it on the platform back in the day. I think that's about it.

pmoriarty 6y ago
Did he say why?
- hellbannedguy 6y ago
  I'm not a prude, but why ruin a family friendly product with porn?
  - pmoriarty 6y ago
    Would it be ruined? It's not difficult to make the porn opt-in, so you wouldn't even see it if you didn't want to.
  - katbyte 6y ago
    and it's certainly readily available via a browser
  - neogodless 6y ago
    Are you talking about computers?
  - dkarras 6y ago
    I mean, we are not saying Apple should have shipped iPhones with porn preinstalled. What is the harm in allowing developers offer porn content FOR PEOPLE THAT SEARCH FOR IT IN THE APP STORE, possibly after turning on a flag for nsfw content? That is not possible, that content is not allowed on the app store, ever. It is their right to do so of course, their store and product and all, but people that support the decision confuse me a bit. There is literally no harm to you if it was allowed. You won't see it unless you search for it.
    - bombcar 6y ago
      Probably because it seems to inherently attract a very “spammy” group that does every trick in the book to appear in front of people, so it would be an endless game of whack-a-mile making sure they didn’t appear in searches.
    - jamil7 6y ago
      Not saying I necessarily agree with the decision but I can imagine there is an argument to be made for moderation. Just banning it outright probably saves them a bunch of money and overhead.
      - johnnyanmac 6y ago
        Hate to say I agree. Valve is going through this right now on Steam. They claimed back in 2018 to "allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling. ". In reality over 3 years, those lines became more like a mine field. Up to and including non-sexual Visual Novels that happen to be set in school (something even pre-2018 Steam allowed). It's to a point where it feels like the one who wrote that blog doesn't even work at the company anymore and the new moderators would rather just ban it all over again. Really sucks for devs, but I imagine Valve isn't having a good time either. I think this is ultimately reflective of America's attitudes towards nudity as a whole and their ability to communicate around it. But ultimately, I don't expect some app stores to go up to bat to challenge that stereotype, so I can't blame them for just saying "no, leave that all out". Not unlike political topics on a casual forum.
  - johnnyanmac 6y ago
    Because I don't think a general purpose computing device is inherently family friendly. No more than I think any given day commuting around town is.
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
  The process of creating a family isn't family-friendly.
- high_derivative 6y ago
  Apple likes a family friendly facade on its products of Chinese slave labour

Blahah 6y ago

It's important to make sure people have to use the least legitimate and most risky sources for anything that hypocrites feel the need to pretend to be morally outraged about. Sex and fun drugs are the classics. The only way to make them seem inherently bad is to force them to be illicit.

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zinclozenge 6y ago

Porn usually has much higher risk for chargebacks when it comes to payment processing.