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> They build spaceships, fight disease, and finance science. Businesses used to pay taxes so the public could do all that. Nowadays Amazon competes with local

> They build spaceships, fight disease, and finance science. Businesses used to pay taxes so the public could do all that. Nowadays Amazon competes with local stores, while not paying taxes, which that local stores can't avoid. So these billionaires, evil or not, are concentrating wealth on themselves and shape the world to their liking. And their linking isn't the best for society as a whole. That doesn't mean that SpaceX isn't cool, or that I didn'tove when Amazon shipped science fiction books to my home, which was far away from any bookstore. But it is very clear that some companies have large negative externalities and their tax invasion and policy influence is really, really, really bad for our society.

f6v 5y ago
> And their linking isn't the best for society as a whole. See, how can you judge whether it’s going to end up bad if we’re in the middle of it?
- turbinerneiter 5y ago
  What kind of question is that? What are you arguing for? Do you think extreme concentration of power and wealth is good? Do you want to be free? Do you want to elect your leaders? Again, this is not about SpaceX and Amazon and other companies. These companies do cool and good stuff! The topic is the concentration of power and wealth and the negative externalities of that.
  - f6v 5y ago
    I think there's no way to tell right now whether there's going to be a net positive or negative outcome. > Do you think extreme concentration of power and wealth is good? I mean, it might move the humanity into the positive direction. > Do you want to be free? That's such an abstract concept, I don't even know what it means. > Do you want to elect your leaders? Whenever I go, people complain about the government, east and west alike. Maybe I don't want to. I think your reasoning is ideologically charged, without any argumentation. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to judge how the things will turn out now.
    - turbinerneiter 5y ago
      If liking freedom and democracy is ideologically charged for you we might just not be able to find common ground for a discussion here. Have a nice day.

f6v 5y ago

> And their linking isn't the best for society as a whole. See, how can you judge whether it’s going to end up bad if we’re in the middle of it?

turbinerneiter 5y ago
What kind of question is that? What are you arguing for? Do you think extreme concentration of power and wealth is good? Do you want to be free? Do you want to elect your leaders? Again, this is not about SpaceX and Amazon and other companies. These companies do cool and good stuff! The topic is the concentration of power and wealth and the negative externalities of that.
- f6v 5y ago
  I think there's no way to tell right now whether there's going to be a net positive or negative outcome. > Do you think extreme concentration of power and wealth is good? I mean, it might move the humanity into the positive direction. > Do you want to be free? That's such an abstract concept, I don't even know what it means. > Do you want to elect your leaders? Whenever I go, people complain about the government, east and west alike. Maybe I don't want to. I think your reasoning is ideologically charged, without any argumentation. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to judge how the things will turn out now.
  - turbinerneiter 5y ago
    If liking freedom and democracy is ideologically charged for you we might just not be able to find common ground for a discussion here. Have a nice day.