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This last line is obnoxious... > So there we go: That’s all cleared up now! Apple’s advertiser-sanitized, sex work- and LGBTQ-unfriendly utopia is saved from

This last line is obnoxious... > So there we go: That’s all cleared up now! Apple’s advertiser-sanitized, sex work- and LGBTQ-unfriendly utopia is saved from scary indie games like “Horny Chronicles.” Thank goodness. I for one don’t want to see all that crap in app stores when I’m browsing for something, and I don’t want my kids seeing that stuff... it has nothing to do with being “LGBTQ utopia”. It’s simple called good taste. Same reason when I turn on the TV I don’t want to be assaulted with this stuff. We’ve all decided long ago that the way forward with free speech is to categorize, and rate content... movie, tv ratings, preview ratings, etc. By having proper channels and places for certain content free speech is actually extend. I’m thankful Apple tries hard to make the App Store a place of quality. So let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water by forcing stores to be completely open un moderated spaces in the name of more competition. Edit: People are missing the point here. The issue is about intent. Browsers and Amazon apps are not app stores. So having those available doesn’t point to intent to allow specific types of content on an app platform.

gostsamo 5y ago
So, ask for a feature where 18+ content is not allowed for children's accounts and where an adult's account can filter this stuff out if so desired. Or allow all kinds of stores, one for every taste.
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  Well I think I that’s the issue. If Apple loses control of the store then creating filters like this becomes much much harder.
  - gostsamo 5y ago
    I don't think so. If you like Apple's store, stick with it and you are good.
  - johnnyanmac 5y ago
    "If Apple loses control of the store then creating filters like this becomes much much harder." WHy do people still think this is about Fortnite being on the app store? it was already on the app store. Epic doesn't want to change the app store's content submission system (Epic has their own and it disallows adult apps). They want to host their own store for fortnite players and the other 12 people to download. If the worry is about a kid installing external apps, Android already solves this. You need to explicitly opt into the choice to download 3rd party apps. Which can be hidden behind a password (like every other permission). If your kid can crack that password, they probably already did it for Safari and have access to content you don't want them to see. At that point, it's a personal problem. Not Epic's, not Apple's.
Blahah 5y ago
Browsers are very close to app stores. Both of them can have parental controls enabled, and neither of them need to police perfectly legal content to prevent a subset of users getting harmed or offended. It's trivial to actively prevent porn being shown by default, for example, without banning it. The intent with banning porn is to create a PR narrative around moral policing.
calgoo 5y ago
The rating system you mention is not something that “we” decided. That was forced onto the people by the same group of people that think swear words should be banned from tv. The great thing about the internet, is that we all don’t have to consume the same feeds anymore. We can all find our own level of filtering that makes us confortable. However, there is no reason to push that onto other people. The only rules that really should apply are the rule of the law, where “We” HAVE decided that certain things are illegal. Like others said: Let me choose what i want or don’t want to see. That should be a few checkboxes when i setup my profile and that’s it. Why should apple tell me what i should and should not see?
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  Funny.. because people vote for this stuff and support it. And if you poll the vast majority of Americans they support it too. So that constitutes “we”. And I think swear words should be banned from general TV where kids can see it. You may not have a problem with it but I do and so do the majority at the moment. I have an issue with it because to me it’s about respect for other people. Children soak up everything, they’re sponges. I want a world where they see other people respecting each other. And “we” get to decide that. If you want different then vote and campaign. Pretending you don’t have a voice when you do is just laziness.
viraptor 5y ago
> rate content... movie, tv ratings, preview ratings, etc. There's quite a bit of opposition to how we do it and how those ratings were designed. For example the issue of "a city full of people evaporated but no blood is visible - good for all ages; wait, stop! there's a nipple visible for a moment - 18+"
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  I can agree that the rating systems should be updated. But that doesn’t mean they are worthless. And one reason I think people miss for harsh rating on sexual imagery over violent, is it’s used by sexual predators in grooming. I don’t think people have yet come to grips with the depth of the problem. Jeffrey Epstein is not an outlier... it’s the tip of the iceberg. Increased sexual imagery in media is part of the process of normalizing behavior that predators use, and they typical start with introducing kids to material... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming
  - viraptor 5y ago
    On the other hand current ratings are in line with people thinking that breastfeeding in public is somehow wrong. Or the weird double-standard of men's nipples on social media being ok, but omg-that's-a-woman's-breast bans.
sp332 5y ago
The FCC doesn't really have ratings like that. It's either OK to show or they'll fine the broadcaster. Movie ratings, game ratings, etc are all voluntary and managed by the various industries themselves, as a way to try to avoid government regulators stepping in. They are only required by storefronts (like walmart or movie theaters), and totally optional otherwise.
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  Well the FCC uses the stick of regulation to force industry to police themselves. Although the ratings are voluntary, without them, then content would have the be limited because there are laws on the books requiring the ability of parents to filter content. So yes, they could get rid of ratings, but then they also couldn’t publish certain content. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-120A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-120A1.pdf
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
I just watched a movie with 84 murders on screen, and it's rated teen, but show a naked person and everybody looses their mind
mnouquet 5y ago
> and I don’t want my kids seeing that stuff... They will, and they will fuck/get fucked too. This is called life.
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  No they won’t... because I pay attention to what my kids consume. They’ll see it when they’re older, and when they’re are no longer at risk of sexual predators. My parents managed it. To assume it’s a forgone conclusion is just laziness and bad parenting. There are age appropriateness for these things and ages when they’re introduced. If you don’t think that’s an issue, then you don’t understand how the world of sexual predation works in which kids are groomed. I take my responsibility to protect my kids seriously. And I want media that makes that possible. Go have your crap elsewhere, because it’s a matter of safety, not prudishness.
  - mnouquet 5y ago
    I've been jerking off on porn since I'm 14, believe me, my parents didn't know (thanks to me coding apps to cover my tracks) not approved. No matter how puritan you are, when puberty hits, they'll find a way.
    - crazydoggers 5y ago
      TMI. Also given past comments I feel like you yourself prove my point... you seem to be the type that objectifies women and sees sex as a power/control thing. Sex for most people is about love, not dominance. And the porn you’ve been consuming since childhood objectifies women, and makes them seem like sex toys. If you think those women like that kind of stuff, and aren’t just doing it for a paycheck, then you haven’t been around many women. And just to be clear, this is not a “Puritan” thing. I have no issue with consenting adults watching and enjoying sexual imagery. The problem again is those who groom children. Unfortunately the reality is that many men do use sex as a power and control over those with less power. If you think about the me too movement, and how much sexual predation has been occurring to adult women behind closed doors... now imagine what happens with children who really have no voice.

gostsamo 5y ago

So, ask for a feature where 18+ content is not allowed for children's accounts and where an adult's account can filter this stuff out if so desired. Or allow all kinds of stores, one for every taste.

crazydoggers 5y ago
Well I think I that’s the issue. If Apple loses control of the store then creating filters like this becomes much much harder.
- gostsamo 5y ago
  I don't think so. If you like Apple's store, stick with it and you are good.
- johnnyanmac 5y ago
  "If Apple loses control of the store then creating filters like this becomes much much harder." WHy do people still think this is about Fortnite being on the app store? it was already on the app store. Epic doesn't want to change the app store's content submission system (Epic has their own and it disallows adult apps). They want to host their own store for fortnite players and the other 12 people to download. If the worry is about a kid installing external apps, Android already solves this. You need to explicitly opt into the choice to download 3rd party apps. Which can be hidden behind a password (like every other permission). If your kid can crack that password, they probably already did it for Safari and have access to content you don't want them to see. At that point, it's a personal problem. Not Epic's, not Apple's.

Blahah 5y ago

Browsers are very close to app stores. Both of them can have parental controls enabled, and neither of them need to police perfectly legal content to prevent a subset of users getting harmed or offended. It's trivial to actively prevent porn being shown by default, for example, without banning it. The intent with banning porn is to create a PR narrative around moral policing.

calgoo 5y ago

The rating system you mention is not something that “we” decided. That was forced onto the people by the same group of people that think swear words should be banned from tv. The great thing about the internet, is that we all don’t have to consume the same feeds anymore. We can all find our own level of filtering that makes us confortable. However, there is no reason to push that onto other people. The only rules that really should apply are the rule of the law, where “We” HAVE decided that certain things are illegal. Like others said: Let me choose what i want or don’t want to see. That should be a few checkboxes when i setup my profile and that’s it. Why should apple tell me what i should and should not see?

crazydoggers 5y ago
Funny.. because people vote for this stuff and support it. And if you poll the vast majority of Americans they support it too. So that constitutes “we”. And I think swear words should be banned from general TV where kids can see it. You may not have a problem with it but I do and so do the majority at the moment. I have an issue with it because to me it’s about respect for other people. Children soak up everything, they’re sponges. I want a world where they see other people respecting each other. And “we” get to decide that. If you want different then vote and campaign. Pretending you don’t have a voice when you do is just laziness.

viraptor 5y ago

> rate content... movie, tv ratings, preview ratings, etc. There's quite a bit of opposition to how we do it and how those ratings were designed. For example the issue of "a city full of people evaporated but no blood is visible - good for all ages; wait, stop! there's a nipple visible for a moment - 18+"

crazydoggers 5y ago
I can agree that the rating systems should be updated. But that doesn’t mean they are worthless. And one reason I think people miss for harsh rating on sexual imagery over violent, is it’s used by sexual predators in grooming. I don’t think people have yet come to grips with the depth of the problem. Jeffrey Epstein is not an outlier... it’s the tip of the iceberg. Increased sexual imagery in media is part of the process of normalizing behavior that predators use, and they typical start with introducing kids to material... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming
- viraptor 5y ago
  On the other hand current ratings are in line with people thinking that breastfeeding in public is somehow wrong. Or the weird double-standard of men's nipples on social media being ok, but omg-that's-a-woman's-breast bans.

sp332 5y ago

The FCC doesn't really have ratings like that. It's either OK to show or they'll fine the broadcaster. Movie ratings, game ratings, etc are all voluntary and managed by the various industries themselves, as a way to try to avoid government regulators stepping in. They are only required by storefronts (like walmart or movie theaters), and totally optional otherwise.

crazydoggers 5y ago
Well the FCC uses the stick of regulation to force industry to police themselves. Although the ratings are voluntary, without them, then content would have the be limited because there are laws on the books requiring the ability of parents to filter content. So yes, they could get rid of ratings, but then they also couldn’t publish certain content. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-120A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-120A1.pdf

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

I just watched a movie with 84 murders on screen, and it's rated teen, but show a naked person and everybody looses their mind

mnouquet 5y ago

> and I don’t want my kids seeing that stuff... They will, and they will fuck/get fucked too. This is called life.

crazydoggers 5y ago
No they won’t... because I pay attention to what my kids consume. They’ll see it when they’re older, and when they’re are no longer at risk of sexual predators. My parents managed it. To assume it’s a forgone conclusion is just laziness and bad parenting. There are age appropriateness for these things and ages when they’re introduced. If you don’t think that’s an issue, then you don’t understand how the world of sexual predation works in which kids are groomed. I take my responsibility to protect my kids seriously. And I want media that makes that possible. Go have your crap elsewhere, because it’s a matter of safety, not prudishness.
- mnouquet 5y ago
  I've been jerking off on porn since I'm 14, believe me, my parents didn't know (thanks to me coding apps to cover my tracks) not approved. No matter how puritan you are, when puberty hits, they'll find a way.
  - crazydoggers 5y ago
    TMI. Also given past comments I feel like you yourself prove my point... you seem to be the type that objectifies women and sees sex as a power/control thing. Sex for most people is about love, not dominance. And the porn you’ve been consuming since childhood objectifies women, and makes them seem like sex toys. If you think those women like that kind of stuff, and aren’t just doing it for a paycheck, then you haven’t been around many women. And just to be clear, this is not a “Puritan” thing. I have no issue with consenting adults watching and enjoying sexual imagery. The problem again is those who groom children. Unfortunately the reality is that many men do use sex as a power and control over those with less power. If you think about the me too movement, and how much sexual predation has been occurring to adult women behind closed doors... now imagine what happens with children who really have no voice.