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I'm mildly curious about the whole Jordan Peterson anti-woke movement. Mildly, as in, I'm interested in the arguments but I often don't agree with them. I once
by skrebbel 6y ago
I'm mildly curious about the whole Jordan Peterson anti-woke movement. Mildly, as in, I'm interested in the arguments but I often don't agree with them. I once made the mistake of clicking on a Peterson YouTube video and subsequently got only obscene alt-right "Peterson KILLS stupid feminist reporter!!" type of edited content. Like at some point 80% of my suggestions was crap like that, drowning out all the lovely nerdy Tom Scott stuff I come to YouTube for.
I had to reset all suggestions to get away from it. Whenever I now see a video like that about the culture wars (or about covid for that matter), I open an incognito browser and search for the title. It's nuts that this is necessary.
It's come to a point that I now hate suggestion engines with a passion. I wish I could simply only see the tweets/videos/whatever from people I follow/subscribe, chronologically. I can't figure out whether the people making these services are simply incompetent or downright evil.
The AI future is now and it's awful.
- phendrenad2 6y agoI think that in the future, having a way to tell the algorithm "I didn't like this" will be common courtesy. Especially as the algorithm becomes stronger, I.E. companies offload more and more curation to ML.
- neartheplain 6y agoOn YouTube, this exists. On the Home screen where you get video recommendations, you can mouse-over each video title, click the little three dots, and mark that you're not interested in a video or channel. They'll never show up again in your recommendations.
- domnomnom 6y agoIt’s going to kill us
- chiefalchemist 6y agoSame. Worse is the fact it continues to make the same suggestions no matter how many times I scroll past, no matter how many other videos I watch. I find Spotify similar. I try a suggested playlist. I check out after 2 or 3 songs. It doesn't get the hint.
- KozmoNau7 6y agoIt's a consequence of the algorithm optimizing for engagement. YT obviously wants people to stay for as long as possible, to interact, write comments, upvote/downvote and follow the chain of recommended videos. The longer they stay on YT and the more content the consume, the more ads YT can show and the more money they make. Anti-woke/alt-right type content is provocative, controversial and makes people engage with. Either because they want to enthusiastically join in or because they want to dunk on it for how ridiculous it is. And the people who are into it are generally really into it, so they'll keep watching hour after hour of it. YT doesn't care, as long as they get as many people watching videos and looking at ads as they possibly can.
- skrebbel 6y ago> And the people who are into it are generally really into it, so they'll keep watching hour after hour of it. Maybe that's the effect and not the cause.
- KozmoNau7 6y agoI see it as a self-sustaining loop at this point. At some point the flames were lit and fanned, and now they've taken on a life of their own.
- guerrilla 6y agoIt'd make a good The Onion headline "AI Accidentally Resurrects Fascism."
- astrange 6y agoThis supposedly won't happen anymore because YouTube changed the recommendation algorithm a year or two ago to not show hardcore politics as a suggestion for everything. Personally I find it easy to dismiss bad suggestions by looking at animal videos or vtubers, those reliably displace everything else. And that everything else was just strange Minecraft roleplays for small children, not racism lately.
- ergot_vacation 5y ago
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- lazyeye 6y agoIm the opposite. I very ocassionally watch a JP video which I find interesting and it means Google no longer fills my feed with woke stuff which is nice.