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I don't even know where to start. I'd believe you ten years ago. Now I've seen same rethoric from Russian Federation against my country. No more Ukrainian schoo

I don't even know where to start. I'd believe you ten years ago. Now I've seen same rethoric from Russian Federation against my country. No more Ukrainian schools in occupied territories. RF population largely supports war to "save Russians". War that killed thousands Russian speaking Ukrainians. And yet they call themselfs "brothers"... just as you said. No need for enemies with such "brothers". I've been to Eastern Europe, a lot of people speak English there. Occupation is not required to a share culture.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> RF population largely supports war to "save Russians". Only those susceptible to propaganda. But such people are everywhere, who easily believe what they are told to believe.
- fpoling 5y ago
  Russian propaganda is really good and works rather effectively. Which is no surprising as they use techniques mastered during 70 years of communism. A colleague from work who works on integration a of a translation service in our product said that he needed a brain wash to clean up the propaganda after reading all those Russian news translated with the service.
  - chokolad 5y ago
    > Russian propaganda is really good and works rather effectively. Which is no surprising as they use techniques mastered during 70 years of communism. If only. Russian propaganda is hamfisted, direct and not very effective. It's magical efficiency is perpetuated in the West in order to demonize Russia. If Russian propaganda was that good and effective, Ukraine would still be ruled by Russian-friendly elite and the country would have joined some sort of Russia led economic bloc instead of rushing towards EU and NATO. Alas, Russian propaganda sucks, at least compared to what USA has to offer.
    - sergeykish 5y ago
      RF TV is state controlled for 20 years. In Ukraine it is not. Up until a few months ago collaborant TV channels worked in Ukraine. Actually RF propaganda is quite good at portraing Ukraine as fascist state, West as evil, USA as falling apart. It is good enough for Putin to be elected president, and it is much better than Belarus propaganda. Regarding Ukraine, it is good enough that some people support RF no matter Crimea occupation and 8 years proxy war.
    - fpoling 5y ago
      Russia propaganda is effective because it managed to make people to believe very big lies. Even in Ukraine some people believe it despite the realities of war. Propaganda from USA does not need to stretch the truth anywhere near the same scale and with that it is much more easier to affect more people.
- havetocharge 5y ago
  That isn't specific to Russians.
havetocharge 5y ago
I think the person you're responding to is talking about USSR circa 1920-1980, and you're talking about RF 2010-2020. Of course you can say that it's all the same, but then why would you be agreeing with them 10 years ago?
- sergeykish 5y ago
  Because I am Russian speaking, I know this ideology very well. It was unexpected to be on another side. It opens eyes.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar hell. The parent was nostalgically reminiscing. That's totally different. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082892.
- sergeykish 5y ago
  There is nothing nationalistic in my statement. I am Russian speaking. My mother tongue is Russian. I've just described how such "brotherhood" is created. Occupation regime. RF government use this exact nastalgy to fuel the war. It is not possible to separate means and result.
  - dang 5y ago
    Words like "nationalistic" can mean different things - if you understand the word differently, that's fine. The main thing we're trying to avoid is internet flamewars of all sorts, including the sort where people argue angrily about nations or governments (whichever ones they may be). Such discussions are predictable and nasty, two qualities which are bad for curious conversation, which is what we're going for here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - sergeykish 5y ago
      You accept nastalgy about results of forceful conversion, occupation. It feels awful. I've waited several hours, top comment, tried to write objectively. If anything I've tried to explain how much such "brotherhood" costs, how it is achieved. My bad if it looks like it is against specific state. From my perspective Ukraine occupation is an example of what's happening today. Any nostalgic person may visit it, feel it. People live in fear there.
      - dang 5y ago
        I'm sure that's true and I certainly don't deny it, but we need to have space for lots of different comments. The other user wasn't saying anything about current wars.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

> RF population largely supports war to "save Russians". Only those susceptible to propaganda. But such people are everywhere, who easily believe what they are told to believe.

fpoling 5y ago
Russian propaganda is really good and works rather effectively. Which is no surprising as they use techniques mastered during 70 years of communism. A colleague from work who works on integration a of a translation service in our product said that he needed a brain wash to clean up the propaganda after reading all those Russian news translated with the service.
- chokolad 5y ago
  > Russian propaganda is really good and works rather effectively. Which is no surprising as they use techniques mastered during 70 years of communism. If only. Russian propaganda is hamfisted, direct and not very effective. It's magical efficiency is perpetuated in the West in order to demonize Russia. If Russian propaganda was that good and effective, Ukraine would still be ruled by Russian-friendly elite and the country would have joined some sort of Russia led economic bloc instead of rushing towards EU and NATO. Alas, Russian propaganda sucks, at least compared to what USA has to offer.
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    RF TV is state controlled for 20 years. In Ukraine it is not. Up until a few months ago collaborant TV channels worked in Ukraine. Actually RF propaganda is quite good at portraing Ukraine as fascist state, West as evil, USA as falling apart. It is good enough for Putin to be elected president, and it is much better than Belarus propaganda. Regarding Ukraine, it is good enough that some people support RF no matter Crimea occupation and 8 years proxy war.
  - fpoling 5y ago
    Russia propaganda is effective because it managed to make people to believe very big lies. Even in Ukraine some people believe it despite the realities of war. Propaganda from USA does not need to stretch the truth anywhere near the same scale and with that it is much more easier to affect more people.
havetocharge 5y ago
That isn't specific to Russians.

havetocharge 5y ago

I think the person you're responding to is talking about USSR circa 1920-1980, and you're talking about RF 2010-2020. Of course you can say that it's all the same, but then why would you be agreeing with them 10 years ago?

sergeykish 5y ago
Because I am Russian speaking, I know this ideology very well. It was unexpected to be on another side. It opens eyes.

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar hell. The parent was nostalgically reminiscing. That's totally different. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082892.

sergeykish 5y ago
There is nothing nationalistic in my statement. I am Russian speaking. My mother tongue is Russian. I've just described how such "brotherhood" is created. Occupation regime. RF government use this exact nastalgy to fuel the war. It is not possible to separate means and result.
- dang 5y ago
  Words like "nationalistic" can mean different things - if you understand the word differently, that's fine. The main thing we're trying to avoid is internet flamewars of all sorts, including the sort where people argue angrily about nations or governments (whichever ones they may be). Such discussions are predictable and nasty, two qualities which are bad for curious conversation, which is what we're going for here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    You accept nastalgy about results of forceful conversion, occupation. It feels awful. I've waited several hours, top comment, tried to write objectively. If anything I've tried to explain how much such "brotherhood" costs, how it is achieved. My bad if it looks like it is against specific state. From my perspective Ukraine occupation is an example of what's happening today. Any nostalgic person may visit it, feel it. People live in fear there.
    - dang 5y ago
      I'm sure that's true and I certainly don't deny it, but we need to have space for lots of different comments. The other user wasn't saying anything about current wars.