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What if you're wrong?

Tddddd 5y ago
How much do you rally know and remember from your ancestors which is more than a handful and always the same stories? How did that really influence you? We can look back, we are not a magic generation unique to all the other generations before us. We know what's going to happen with us and our legacies.
- lukeck 5y ago
  One difference between the current and previous generations is just how much information is recorded by and about us. There will be a lot more evidence of the existence and experiences of people alive today than people of a century ago. Whether people will care to look is a different matter.
  - daniellarusso 5y ago
    One large-scale EMP incident, and that is no longer the case. We have alot more data now, but I am not sure how durable it all is. I have quite a few DVDs and hard drives that no longer work.
    - jll29 5y ago
      CDs/DVDs typically oxidize after 15 years. Print the book version on vellum, and you'll preserve it for a few thousand years (or ANSI paper with the infinity sign, which supposedly lasts for at least 750 years).
  - busymom0 5y ago
    We do have a lot more data however we don’t have enough time to absorb it. Until something like Neuralink improves that, I don’t think it would be much different. So many of us take pictures all the time but how many of us really go back and look at the old pictures? And do we really have the time to view all pictures from our own time let alone previous generations?
  - Tddddd 5y ago
    True and that makes it even more visible how little the future cares for you. My mum is the only one who likes to look through our holiday pictures. They will be there and no one will care. Only some ml tool to potentially tell my future Familie members that I might have been depressed based on pictures and the ml notes it down for potential medical relevant information. No one will know what I liked and disliked. No one will see that my life had ups and downs. I really thought Facebook would be a great thing. Sharing and seeing what my Familie is up to but no one is using it for sharing family pictures. And I myself I'm sometimes annoyed by too many WhatsApp pictures. I do get why it is like this but realizing and accepting it took a bit
mrphoebs 5y ago
I don't know what specifically you are referring to but, the sun is going to be a red giant in 4.5 billion years, earth cannot sustain life. Deep into the future, all the stars will eventually burn out and there will be no more new ones born. The night sky will be dark. The only radiation emitted will be black holes slowly evaporating on a time scale so huge we can't even meaningfully comprehend it. There is no energy to sustain life. Then there is the heat death of the universe to look forward to. Humans might survive past earth, but oblivion will come for us all the same. We just get to play around in our little imagined worlds of purpose and meaning a little longer all to no avail beyond living one's life. And that's all any of us can really do, chose how to face existence knowing there is no grand scheme in which each of us is some how important or matters. Choosing to live is equally as valid as choosing not to. We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...) All we can do is live a life we are happy(good state) with, be it building stone walls that last or having kids and raising them.
- JackFr 5y ago
  > We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...) Certainly this could lead one to be a little more circumspect about grand pronouncements. It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked. Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls.
  - mrphoebs 5y ago
    > It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked. I make no such claim. We interpret and navigate the world with the mental models and toolsets we have. If you can do math, you can calculate, estimate, plan, budget....etc. Similarly, some toolsets give you access to insights and paradigms eg: religious toolset might make you interpret the world differently. I merely have a certain toolset which lets me look at the world in a certain way, does not mean this toolset is exclusive, leads to authoritative interpretations or it's acquisition is special in any way. I could just say "In my humble opinion" >Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls. As always value is in the eye of the beholder, there is no objective value beyond what a subject is able to get out of it. So if you feel truth and knowledge are important, they are. If you feel faith is more important than truth, it is, to you at-least.

How much do you rally know and remember from your ancestors which is more than a handful and always the same stories? How did that really influence you? We can look back, we are not a magic generation unique to all the other generations before us. We know what's going to happen with us and our legacies.

lukeck 5y ago
One difference between the current and previous generations is just how much information is recorded by and about us. There will be a lot more evidence of the existence and experiences of people alive today than people of a century ago. Whether people will care to look is a different matter.
- daniellarusso 5y ago
  One large-scale EMP incident, and that is no longer the case. We have alot more data now, but I am not sure how durable it all is. I have quite a few DVDs and hard drives that no longer work.
  - jll29 5y ago
    CDs/DVDs typically oxidize after 15 years. Print the book version on vellum, and you'll preserve it for a few thousand years (or ANSI paper with the infinity sign, which supposedly lasts for at least 750 years).
- busymom0 5y ago
  We do have a lot more data however we don’t have enough time to absorb it. Until something like Neuralink improves that, I don’t think it would be much different. So many of us take pictures all the time but how many of us really go back and look at the old pictures? And do we really have the time to view all pictures from our own time let alone previous generations?
- Tddddd 5y ago
  True and that makes it even more visible how little the future cares for you. My mum is the only one who likes to look through our holiday pictures. They will be there and no one will care. Only some ml tool to potentially tell my future Familie members that I might have been depressed based on pictures and the ml notes it down for potential medical relevant information. No one will know what I liked and disliked. No one will see that my life had ups and downs. I really thought Facebook would be a great thing. Sharing and seeing what my Familie is up to but no one is using it for sharing family pictures. And I myself I'm sometimes annoyed by too many WhatsApp pictures. I do get why it is like this but realizing and accepting it took a bit

mrphoebs 5y ago

I don't know what specifically you are referring to but, the sun is going to be a red giant in 4.5 billion years, earth cannot sustain life. Deep into the future, all the stars will eventually burn out and there will be no more new ones born. The night sky will be dark. The only radiation emitted will be black holes slowly evaporating on a time scale so huge we can't even meaningfully comprehend it. There is no energy to sustain life. Then there is the heat death of the universe to look forward to. Humans might survive past earth, but oblivion will come for us all the same. We just get to play around in our little imagined worlds of purpose and meaning a little longer all to no avail beyond living one's life. And that's all any of us can really do, chose how to face existence knowing there is no grand scheme in which each of us is some how important or matters. Choosing to live is equally as valid as choosing not to. We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...) All we can do is live a life we are happy(good state) with, be it building stone walls that last or having kids and raising them.

JackFr 5y ago
> We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...) Certainly this could lead one to be a little more circumspect about grand pronouncements. It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked. Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls.
- mrphoebs 5y ago
  > It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked. I make no such claim. We interpret and navigate the world with the mental models and toolsets we have. If you can do math, you can calculate, estimate, plan, budget....etc. Similarly, some toolsets give you access to insights and paradigms eg: religious toolset might make you interpret the world differently. I merely have a certain toolset which lets me look at the world in a certain way, does not mean this toolset is exclusive, leads to authoritative interpretations or it's acquisition is special in any way. I could just say "In my humble opinion" >Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls. As always value is in the eye of the beholder, there is no objective value beyond what a subject is able to get out of it. So if you feel truth and knowledge are important, they are. If you feel faith is more important than truth, it is, to you at-least.