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I was in the 90s Midwest rave scene as well. This pattern repeats itself in music over and over. Jungle to DNB. Dubstep was like two tone, then it got destroye

I was in the 90s Midwest rave scene as well. This pattern repeats itself in music over and over. Jungle to DNB. Dubstep was like two tone, then it got destroyed by the US market takeover. Garage, grime, dancehall, hip hop all stay mainly black (with some white artists accepted) to defend their scene. Precisely to stop the take over from happening again.

hntroll999 5y ago
This leftist style of racist crap is normal and accepted on HN now, isn't it?
- stuaxo 5y ago
  This is just name calling and doesn't address any of the points, which are all valid - for anyone who pays attention to music.
  - hntroll999 5y ago
    It's not just name-calling, it's accurately naming somebody's fallacy. The actual process that goes on with music and all other phenomena is that they change and eventually "die" in that nobody cares about them anymore. It happens with everything, and there is no villain.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    Don't feed the troll, just downvote and move on.
    - hntroll999 5y ago
      HN has really become despicable. If people had integrity or guts, they'd take my comment apart and show everyone how wrong it was. But they can't do that, so they just hide what I said. Don't you feel ashamed? Why are people so afraid to put the strength of their ideas to the test? I really pity people who would put their hand over the mouth of someone calling out fashionable racism for what it is.
    - dang 5y ago
      Better yet, flag, as described here: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag If no one takes the flamebait, there won't be any flamewar.
yoz-y 5y ago
With streaming, what does make a genre more or less appreciated by a group of people? TBH for most of the artists I listen to, I have no idea who they are, how they look like or even how many of them are in the band.
- ehnto 5y ago
  I think the musical styles and their in the flesh club/rave scenes are getting conflated a bit. Music is often born in a specific location and scene and then grows into it's own monster. Especially now with the internet, music is for everyone. But locally speaking there are different groups listening and producing styles of music you may not even know about yet, that will enter the global lexicon of music and get much the same treatment of commercialization as house and others got.
ehnto 5y ago
I thought the Jungle/DnB split was just the result of cocaine getting popular and the Jungle scene wanting none of that, but I wasn't there so I only have third party accounts to go off. Remembering as well that these musical styles live on and elevated above their once-upon a time rave/club scenes. So this is commentary specifically about the club scenes in the UK at their time of provenance.

hntroll999 5y ago

This leftist style of racist crap is normal and accepted on HN now, isn't it?

stuaxo 5y ago
This is just name calling and doesn't address any of the points, which are all valid - for anyone who pays attention to music.
- hntroll999 5y ago
  It's not just name-calling, it's accurately naming somebody's fallacy. The actual process that goes on with music and all other phenomena is that they change and eventually "die" in that nobody cares about them anymore. It happens with everything, and there is no villain.
- pjc50 5y ago
  Don't feed the troll, just downvote and move on.
  - hntroll999 5y ago
    HN has really become despicable. If people had integrity or guts, they'd take my comment apart and show everyone how wrong it was. But they can't do that, so they just hide what I said. Don't you feel ashamed? Why are people so afraid to put the strength of their ideas to the test? I really pity people who would put their hand over the mouth of someone calling out fashionable racism for what it is.
  - dang 5y ago
    Better yet, flag, as described here: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag If no one takes the flamebait, there won't be any flamewar.

yoz-y 5y ago

With streaming, what does make a genre more or less appreciated by a group of people? TBH for most of the artists I listen to, I have no idea who they are, how they look like or even how many of them are in the band.

ehnto 5y ago
I think the musical styles and their in the flesh club/rave scenes are getting conflated a bit. Music is often born in a specific location and scene and then grows into it's own monster. Especially now with the internet, music is for everyone. But locally speaking there are different groups listening and producing styles of music you may not even know about yet, that will enter the global lexicon of music and get much the same treatment of commercialization as house and others got.

ehnto 5y ago

I thought the Jungle/DnB split was just the result of cocaine getting popular and the Jungle scene wanting none of that, but I wasn't there so I only have third party accounts to go off. Remembering as well that these musical styles live on and elevated above their once-upon a time rave/club scenes. So this is commentary specifically about the club scenes in the UK at their time of provenance.