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I grew up in East Germany. I was part of the mass events leading to the wall coming down, so you can tell what side I'm on. Still, I hate it with a passion tha

I grew up in East Germany. I was part of the mass events leading to the wall coming down, so you can tell what side I'm on. Still, I hate it with a passion that anytime someone dares to mention some good points of what happened in the "socialist" Eastern countries, and on a purely human level there is plenty even on the system level, comes up with this whataboutism normally thrown at others. Yes those systems had to go. But there was plenty of good stuff there, and rebuking anyone who dares mention some is unhelpful. It's such a random uncontrolled reflex.

nickpp 5y ago
Now imagine someone saying what you are saying, but about the nazi death camps: that there was plenty of good stuff there!!! Do you even realise that you are talking about an inhuman sistem that killed millions and shaped the lives on countless others in horrific ways? Please have a little respect for the victims. And it's not a reflex to remind the world how communism really was: it's a duty. Because every time we see a soviet apologist we can see his agenda, his hidden motives and perverted thinking. The propaganda machine did not die with the soviet empire, it is alive and well serving the new master in the East. And the "useful idiots" are all busy digging in the turd of the past to uncover the rare jewels with which they are hoping to blind the world to the horrific truth of what really happened.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > Now imagine someone saying what you are saying, but about the nazi death camps: that there was plenty of good stuff there!!! Nope. The original comment wasn't about death camps. It was about the whole of the country. > Do you even realise that you are talking about an inhuman sistem that killed millions and shaped the lives on countless others in horrific ways? Yes. We do realise that. Probably significantly more than you can imagine. > Please have a little respect for the victims. Ah yeah. A little respect for the victims by... ignoring and disrespecting literally everything else. > Because every time we see a soviet apologist we can see his agenda, his hidden motives and perverted thinking. Every time I see a comment like this, I realise I'm talking to a person completely ignorant of history. Also, history is hard. You can't say "this was all bad, bad, bad, millions dead, nothing good can be said about it". Just as you can't say "this was all good, good, good, nothing bad can be said about it". You insist only on the former. The original comment didn't even begin to approach the latter.
- simonh 5y ago
  Praise be to Godwin. There's always one, and often several.
  - cxfame 5y ago
    Godwin's law does not apply to the situation when Stalin is mentioned and someone introduces a Hitler comparison. They were both evil but Stalin had the ideological framework that presented him as good.

nickpp 5y ago

Now imagine someone saying what you are saying, but about the nazi death camps: that there was plenty of good stuff there!!! Do you even realise that you are talking about an inhuman sistem that killed millions and shaped the lives on countless others in horrific ways? Please have a little respect for the victims. And it's not a reflex to remind the world how communism really was: it's a duty. Because every time we see a soviet apologist we can see his agenda, his hidden motives and perverted thinking. The propaganda machine did not die with the soviet empire, it is alive and well serving the new master in the East. And the "useful idiots" are all busy digging in the turd of the past to uncover the rare jewels with which they are hoping to blind the world to the horrific truth of what really happened.

dmitriid 5y ago
> Now imagine someone saying what you are saying, but about the nazi death camps: that there was plenty of good stuff there!!! Nope. The original comment wasn't about death camps. It was about the whole of the country. > Do you even realise that you are talking about an inhuman sistem that killed millions and shaped the lives on countless others in horrific ways? Yes. We do realise that. Probably significantly more than you can imagine. > Please have a little respect for the victims. Ah yeah. A little respect for the victims by... ignoring and disrespecting literally everything else. > Because every time we see a soviet apologist we can see his agenda, his hidden motives and perverted thinking. Every time I see a comment like this, I realise I'm talking to a person completely ignorant of history. Also, history is hard. You can't say "this was all bad, bad, bad, millions dead, nothing good can be said about it". Just as you can't say "this was all good, good, good, nothing bad can be said about it". You insist only on the former. The original comment didn't even begin to approach the latter.
simonh 5y ago
Praise be to Godwin. There's always one, and often several.
- cxfame 5y ago
  Godwin's law does not apply to the situation when Stalin is mentioned and someone introduces a Hitler comparison. They were both evil but Stalin had the ideological framework that presented him as good.