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> you’re telling indie developers that no matter how hard they try, they won’t be able to match the functionality of Apple’s special friends. To note, the enti

by hrktb 5y ago

> you’re telling indie developers that no matter how hard they try, they won’t be able to match the functionality of Apple’s special friends. To note, the entitlement switching from private-only-zoom-is-in-the-loop to public-and-documented doesn’t mean that indie devs get access to it. Apple still will grant it to special friends only, and random indie devs can request but will just be rejected.

judge2020 5y ago
Chances are it'd be the same as the carplay drop-down - you only get access if your app is part of a market that apple allows the API to work on. You have no idea if it'll stay "only for Apple's friends" once they do this; even the current CarPlay app selection has no-name apps like Next[0] (74 total ratings), and I doubt they pulled any favors to get on there. 0: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1476724373 https://apps.apple.com/app/id1476724373
- xuki 5y ago
  They have a documented process to apply for CarPlay. There is not even a way to apply for this special entitlement.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I said “it’d” (it would) - this isn’t a thing yet and they likely threw it into iPadOS on short notice due to the WFH boom and giving it out is still an informal process. I’m not defending this action of Apple’s - they have the resources to copy and paste the CarPlay drop down into a new one for camera access, but the comment i was replying to was specifically talking about ‘when apple adds the application process for this entitlement’.
- gzer0 5y ago
  Hi, please let me know how I can apply for the entitlement: com.apple.developer.avfoundation.multitasking-camera-access I see no documentation anywhere regarding this besides the Zoom forums. Thanks!
  - judge2020 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27087307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27087307
- ksec 5y ago
  When Smartphone is the centre of our digital society ( and this is not an exaggeration ). And Apple gives API and special features only to select companies within each different industries. Say only certain car makers get X, or others gets Y for Banking / Finance. At what point will this be Not OK for government and regulators? Or judging from comments on MacRumors and 9to5 or dozen of other Apple's focused website, Apple devices Apple rules, and this is a perfectly acceptable norm?
  - judge2020 5y ago
    > Apple devices Apple rules, and this is a perfectly acceptable norm? Yes. Users buy the devices. They say "I allow Apple to choose what native code is allowed on this device" because of the benefits of doing so (being able to safely spend money, good UX, etc). They then are surprised when they can't run Fortnite since Epic wanted to use iOS without paying for it in the way Apple requires developers to. This is the downside of giving up that control, and it's up to consumers to make a choice on whether or not they buy an iPhone due to these pros and cons.

by hrktb 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

Chances are it'd be the same as the carplay drop-down - you only get access if your app is part of a market that apple allows the API to work on. You have no idea if it'll stay "only for Apple's friends" once they do this; even the current CarPlay app selection has no-name apps like Next[0] (74 total ratings), and I doubt they pulled any favors to get on there. 0: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1476724373 https://apps.apple.com/app/id1476724373

xuki 5y ago
They have a documented process to apply for CarPlay. There is not even a way to apply for this special entitlement.
- judge2020 5y ago
  I said “it’d” (it would) - this isn’t a thing yet and they likely threw it into iPadOS on short notice due to the WFH boom and giving it out is still an informal process. I’m not defending this action of Apple’s - they have the resources to copy and paste the CarPlay drop down into a new one for camera access, but the comment i was replying to was specifically talking about ‘when apple adds the application process for this entitlement’.
gzer0 5y ago
Hi, please let me know how I can apply for the entitlement: com.apple.developer.avfoundation.multitasking-camera-access I see no documentation anywhere regarding this besides the Zoom forums. Thanks!
- judge2020 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27087307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27087307
ksec 5y ago
When Smartphone is the centre of our digital society ( and this is not an exaggeration ). And Apple gives API and special features only to select companies within each different industries. Say only certain car makers get X, or others gets Y for Banking / Finance. At what point will this be Not OK for government and regulators? Or judging from comments on MacRumors and 9to5 or dozen of other Apple's focused website, Apple devices Apple rules, and this is a perfectly acceptable norm?
- judge2020 5y ago
  > Apple devices Apple rules, and this is a perfectly acceptable norm? Yes. Users buy the devices. They say "I allow Apple to choose what native code is allowed on this device" because of the benefits of doing so (being able to safely spend money, good UX, etc). They then are surprised when they can't run Fortnite since Epic wanted to use iOS without paying for it in the way Apple requires developers to. This is the downside of giving up that control, and it's up to consumers to make a choice on whether or not they buy an iPhone due to these pros and cons.