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Well...when fire's everywhere, I'd get out of dodge too... (I write this from Utah which also catches fire frequently...but what do I know, lol).

epistasis 5y ago
This biggest problem is lack of housing. The people leaving are those with lower incomes and less education, whereas new arrivals have high education levels and high incomes. This is evidenced in the booming housing prices, which seemingly never stop accelerating despite being many multiples more of median income than other places. This is a planned process, Californians have consciously chosen to become exclusionary. Does great things for the housing values, which is easily leveraged into purchasing more real estate or pretty much anything else.
Black101 5y ago
so you left Utah?
serf 5y ago
>Well...when fire's everywhere, I'd get out of dodge too... most people in the U.S. just live where they were born[0]. everyone likes to frequently attribute some reason as to why California shouldn't be lived in, but the reality is that the average size of the family is dwindling[1] within the United States, and this pattern of growth has been expected for many decades. California is one of the first states to expose this trend due to high land values helping to facilitate out-of-the-ordinary social mobility out of the state, another well-predicted happening[2]. It's not fires, it's not earthquakes, it's not tsunamis, it's not social unrest -- It's natural population movement that coincides with social distribution of wealth, power, and opportunity. Whether or not one wants to associate these attributes to poor governance, well that's opinion. I tend to think this type of redistribution is inevitable and not necessarily a negative for quality-of-life across the board. [0]: https://www.northamerican.com/infographics/where-they-grew-up https://www.northamerican.com/infographics/where-they-grew-u... [1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183657/average-size-of-a-family-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183657/average-size-of-a... [2]: https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-2.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-2.pdf

epistasis 5y ago

This biggest problem is lack of housing. The people leaving are those with lower incomes and less education, whereas new arrivals have high education levels and high incomes. This is evidenced in the booming housing prices, which seemingly never stop accelerating despite being many multiples more of median income than other places. This is a planned process, Californians have consciously chosen to become exclusionary. Does great things for the housing values, which is easily leveraged into purchasing more real estate or pretty much anything else.

Black101 5y ago

so you left Utah?

serf 5y ago

>Well...when fire's everywhere, I'd get out of dodge too... most people in the U.S. just live where they were born[0]. everyone likes to frequently attribute some reason as to why California shouldn't be lived in, but the reality is that the average size of the family is dwindling[1] within the United States, and this pattern of growth has been expected for many decades. California is one of the first states to expose this trend due to high land values helping to facilitate out-of-the-ordinary social mobility out of the state, another well-predicted happening[2]. It's not fires, it's not earthquakes, it's not tsunamis, it's not social unrest -- It's natural population movement that coincides with social distribution of wealth, power, and opportunity. Whether or not one wants to associate these attributes to poor governance, well that's opinion. I tend to think this type of redistribution is inevitable and not necessarily a negative for quality-of-life across the board. [0]: https://www.northamerican.com/infographics/where-they-grew-up https://www.northamerican.com/infographics/where-they-grew-u... [1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183657/average-size-of-a-family-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183657/average-size-of-a... [2]: https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-2.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-2.pdf