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Is there anything written about this? I'm extremely skeptical that a big chunk of people in such a highly online country just left their phones at home. Maybe

Is there anything written about this? I'm extremely skeptical that a big chunk of people in such a highly online country just left their phones at home. Maybe some of the Hardeim but I would guess 95+% of people wouldn't do this.

anders_p 5y ago
Seriously? Why would you be so skeptical of that? Would you really bring your phone with you, when going out for a beer or coffee, even if it could easily result in you being forced to stay quarantined for 2 weeks? Is your smartphone really that important to you? Even though I have personally stayed socially distanced and worn a mask everywhere it was required, it makes perfect sense to me, after seeing how a lot of people have reacted to the pandemic, that a good portion of the population, would let their phone stay at home, so they would not risk a police enforced quarantine.
- codebook 5y ago
  I do want to know whether I am exposed to COVId and get to be quarantined to not spread out the covid to others who I really take care of. Dont want to be a person that possibly make my family or friends sick.
  - beagle3 5y ago
    Most people do. However, the precision of the Israeli system (Based IIUC on cell tower triangulation) was not good, meaning you'd have a nontrivial chance of getting randomly get flagged for 14 days quarantine (with legal consequences for not doing so); Some people were flagged multiple times within 3 months, and it's not entirely clear what the rate of FP was, but it was nontrivial.
beagle3 5y ago
I'm aware of quite a few people who selectively turned their phone off or left them at home in some circumstances, but I'm not aware of anyone who really gave up their phone use. In israel, this was done centrally by cell tower triangulation rather than app/os, so no way to opt out even with dumb phones. However, reliability was not very good - e.g. people got notice that they must quarantine because a neighbour 2 floors up was positive, or because they stood outside a wall of a closed room where a positive person was on the other side of said wall. The appeal process was initially non-existent, then slow and cumbersome - so the risk of being "jailed" for 14 days due to false positive was small but serious.

anders_p 5y ago

Seriously? Why would you be so skeptical of that? Would you really bring your phone with you, when going out for a beer or coffee, even if it could easily result in you being forced to stay quarantined for 2 weeks? Is your smartphone really that important to you? Even though I have personally stayed socially distanced and worn a mask everywhere it was required, it makes perfect sense to me, after seeing how a lot of people have reacted to the pandemic, that a good portion of the population, would let their phone stay at home, so they would not risk a police enforced quarantine.

codebook 5y ago
I do want to know whether I am exposed to COVId and get to be quarantined to not spread out the covid to others who I really take care of. Dont want to be a person that possibly make my family or friends sick.
- beagle3 5y ago
  Most people do. However, the precision of the Israeli system (Based IIUC on cell tower triangulation) was not good, meaning you'd have a nontrivial chance of getting randomly get flagged for 14 days quarantine (with legal consequences for not doing so); Some people were flagged multiple times within 3 months, and it's not entirely clear what the rate of FP was, but it was nontrivial.

beagle3 5y ago

I'm aware of quite a few people who selectively turned their phone off or left them at home in some circumstances, but I'm not aware of anyone who really gave up their phone use. In israel, this was done centrally by cell tower triangulation rather than app/os, so no way to opt out even with dumb phones. However, reliability was not very good - e.g. people got notice that they must quarantine because a neighbour 2 floors up was positive, or because they stood outside a wall of a closed room where a positive person was on the other side of said wall. The appeal process was initially non-existent, then slow and cumbersome - so the risk of being "jailed" for 14 days due to false positive was small but serious.