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"Re-education camps" which are closer to detainment camps, repeated IP theft from the US, blackmailing US companies into falling in line with CPC policies, and

by fouric 5y ago

"Re-education camps" which are closer to detainment camps, repeated IP theft from the US, blackmailing US companies into falling in line with CPC policies, and also invading other nations (Hong Kong) with their military.

lucian1900 5y ago
Why shouldn’t a country fight back against US coercion on its soil? And Hong Kong has been a part of China for centuries. How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? How many people are in the ICE run concentration camps? The two countries don’t even remotely compare.
- xtian 5y ago
  > How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? The people you’re asking couldn’t begin to answer these questions. They don’t know the uncontested grisly facts of the US empire because they’re not talked about on any of their favorite TV shows. Anyone who’s interested, here’s a short book on one small facet of that history: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1583679065 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1583679065
- fouric 5y ago
  > Why shouldn’t a country fight back against US coercion on its soil? What "coercion"? China employs internet commentators to influence online opinion[1] - whereas the US does not (as far as anyone can tell). > Hong Kong has been a part of China for centuries. You're misdirecting. China signed the Sino-British Joint Declaration[2], which stated that "Hong Kong's existing capitalist system and way of life would be unchanged for 50 years until 2047"...which China is now blatantly violating, making this an effective invasion - or some form of hostile action - take your pick of words. > How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? In self-defense. China has no excuse for invading HK, which poses absolutely no threat to them. > How many people are in the ICE run concentration camps? Not remotely comparable. ICE detains illegal immigrants for breaking a rather reasonable law - "you don't enter our borders without permission" - and then returns them to their country. China detains existing citizens for thoughtcrime, speaking out against the state, or merely being Uyghur - none of which are reasonable. > The two countries don’t even remotely compare. Yes - every shred of evidence paints China as being incomparably worse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration
  - xtian 5y ago
    > What "coercion"? China employs internet commentators to influence online opinion[1] - whereas the US does not (as far as anyone can tell). There are many examples of the US working to influence the internal politics of other countries through media, for instance Radio Free Asia or the National Endowment for Democracy. https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-for-Destabilization-CIA-Funds-for-Latin-America-in-2018-20190403-0042.html https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-f...
    - lstodd 5y ago
      What's wrong with influence? There is a thing called Radio Liberty / Radio Free Europe since 1949. It still exists.
      - xtian 5y ago
        I'm not trying to affect an objective morality to say it's "wrong", I'm just saying the US does it too. So let's not get up in arms about supposed Chinese internet commenters or Russian fake news.
        sidlls 5y ago
        Why not get up in arms about it? One is done in support of a flawed nation with democratic and freedom ideals, the other is done in support of a murderous authoritarian regime that wishes to annihilate democracy and freedom. It's perfectly reasonable to be up in arms about it.
        xtian 5y ago
        Do you want to talk about facts or do you just want to repeat the bedtime stories you’ve internalized?
bllguo 5y ago
Characterizing the HK situation as a military invasion is so disingenuous it makes me heavily question whether you are approaching this in good faith. Especially when you are juxtaposing with a nation that has documented military incursions all over South America, Asia, and the Middle East. To have the gall to call destabilizing multiple South American regimes, the Vietnam War, the Iraq campaign, etc. "self-defense" is beyond appalling.

by fouric 5y ago

lucian1900 5y ago

Why shouldn’t a country fight back against US coercion on its soil? And Hong Kong has been a part of China for centuries. How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? How many people are in the ICE run concentration camps? The two countries don’t even remotely compare.

xtian 5y ago
> How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? The people you’re asking couldn’t begin to answer these questions. They don’t know the uncontested grisly facts of the US empire because they’re not talked about on any of their favorite TV shows. Anyone who’s interested, here’s a short book on one small facet of that history: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1583679065 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1583679065
fouric 5y ago
> Why shouldn’t a country fight back against US coercion on its soil? What "coercion"? China employs internet commentators to influence online opinion[1] - whereas the US does not (as far as anyone can tell). > Hong Kong has been a part of China for centuries. You're misdirecting. China signed the Sino-British Joint Declaration[2], which stated that "Hong Kong's existing capitalist system and way of life would be unchanged for 50 years until 2047"...which China is now blatantly violating, making this an effective invasion - or some form of hostile action - take your pick of words. > How many countries had the US invaded and is still occupying? How many were threatened into extreme exploitation? In self-defense. China has no excuse for invading HK, which poses absolutely no threat to them. > How many people are in the ICE run concentration camps? Not remotely comparable. ICE detains illegal immigrants for breaking a rather reasonable law - "you don't enter our borders without permission" - and then returns them to their country. China detains existing citizens for thoughtcrime, speaking out against the state, or merely being Uyghur - none of which are reasonable. > The two countries don’t even remotely compare. Yes - every shred of evidence paints China as being incomparably worse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration
- xtian 5y ago
  > What "coercion"? China employs internet commentators to influence online opinion[1] - whereas the US does not (as far as anyone can tell). There are many examples of the US working to influence the internal politics of other countries through media, for instance Radio Free Asia or the National Endowment for Democracy. https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-for-Destabilization-CIA-Funds-for-Latin-America-in-2018-20190403-0042.html https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-f...
  - lstodd 5y ago
    What's wrong with influence? There is a thing called Radio Liberty / Radio Free Europe since 1949. It still exists.
    - xtian 5y ago
      I'm not trying to affect an objective morality to say it's "wrong", I'm just saying the US does it too. So let's not get up in arms about supposed Chinese internet commenters or Russian fake news.
      - sidlls 5y ago
        Why not get up in arms about it? One is done in support of a flawed nation with democratic and freedom ideals, the other is done in support of a murderous authoritarian regime that wishes to annihilate democracy and freedom. It's perfectly reasonable to be up in arms about it.
        xtian 5y ago
        Do you want to talk about facts or do you just want to repeat the bedtime stories you’ve internalized?

bllguo 5y ago

Characterizing the HK situation as a military invasion is so disingenuous it makes me heavily question whether you are approaching this in good faith. Especially when you are juxtaposing with a nation that has documented military incursions all over South America, Asia, and the Middle East. To have the gall to call destabilizing multiple South American regimes, the Vietnam War, the Iraq campaign, etc. "self-defense" is beyond appalling.