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> We as a country need to clarify that there's a difference between being critical of the CCP as a government vs. sinophobia/racism. That distinction shouldn't

by fouric 5y ago

> We as a country need to clarify that there's a difference between being critical of the CCP as a government vs. sinophobia/racism. That distinction shouldn't need to be made in the first place - it's pretty blindingly obvious to anyone with basic thinking skills that "the government of a county" and "the people/nationalities/culture of a county" are two totally different things. Even American county dwellers, who tend to be less educated, can understand this pretty easily - most of them identify as being "Americans", but are still critical of their government (and associated politicians).

missosoup 5y ago
> obvious to anyone with basic thinking skills that "the government of a county" and "the people/nationalities/culture of a county" are two totally different things. The CCP has invested a lot of energy into making the people of China conflate these two concepts. The party IS China and the two are inseparable according to the CCP. This is where the topic becomes contentious and not so black and white. The CCP has successfully influenced millions of people into doing its bidding abroad. And the CCP is fully aware of the West's strong aversion to racism in any form, and has been able to weaponise it. Relevant reading: Silent Invasion: China's influence in Australia (2018)
fatjokes 5y ago
Yet that is not what we see happening. Indeed this is affecting those who look Asian, let alone Chinese. (The rise in anti-Asian hate crimes is now well reported and easily Google-able in both right- and left-wing media). The issue is called out-group homogeneity bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity
wilsonthewhale 5y ago
You have really high hopes for the standard American. The offhand racism against Chinese people (not the PRC) I see in online communities, even supposedly liberal ones like Reddit, is very telling. As an American of Chinese descent, I honestly have very real concerns about my own safety in the next decade or two going forward. Japanese internment camps happened not too long ago, they can happen again. Or worse. Even if it weren't government sanctioned, violence against us is still on the rise[1]. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56218684 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56218684
- alexnewman 5y ago
  Dude, America has come a long way since internment. America is by far the least racist large country and levels of violence against Asian Americans, although being hyped in the news are neither statistically higher than other races or than they were in the past. It’s just people making you afraid for money.

by fouric 5y ago

missosoup 5y ago

> obvious to anyone with basic thinking skills that "the government of a county" and "the people/nationalities/culture of a county" are two totally different things. The CCP has invested a lot of energy into making the people of China conflate these two concepts. The party IS China and the two are inseparable according to the CCP. This is where the topic becomes contentious and not so black and white. The CCP has successfully influenced millions of people into doing its bidding abroad. And the CCP is fully aware of the West's strong aversion to racism in any form, and has been able to weaponise it. Relevant reading: Silent Invasion: China's influence in Australia (2018)

fatjokes 5y ago

Yet that is not what we see happening. Indeed this is affecting those who look Asian, let alone Chinese. (The rise in anti-Asian hate crimes is now well reported and easily Google-able in both right- and left-wing media). The issue is called out-group homogeneity bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

wilsonthewhale 5y ago

You have really high hopes for the standard American. The offhand racism against Chinese people (not the PRC) I see in online communities, even supposedly liberal ones like Reddit, is very telling. As an American of Chinese descent, I honestly have very real concerns about my own safety in the next decade or two going forward. Japanese internment camps happened not too long ago, they can happen again. Or worse. Even if it weren't government sanctioned, violence against us is still on the rise[1]. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56218684 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56218684

alexnewman 5y ago
Dude, America has come a long way since internment. America is by far the least racist large country and levels of violence against Asian Americans, although being hyped in the news are neither statistically higher than other races or than they were in the past. It’s just people making you afraid for money.