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So you can use contractors that don't have a Secret clearance. The government calls a lot of things Controlled Unclassified Information (CUI), its unclassified

So you can use contractors that don't have a Secret clearance. The government calls a lot of things Controlled Unclassified Information (CUI), its unclassified but its controlled and there are strict requirements on transmission and storage of CUI. See CMMC.

kryogen1c 5y ago
this is made up information. cmmc is not in effect, v1.02 is like 2 months old, and v2 is rumored to come out in a month or two. nist 800-171, which is where the majority of cmmc comes from, didnt even require formal external attestation until like 6 months ago when dfars 252.204-7019 required posting in SPRS to continue doing business with the DoD. ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI.
- tediousdemise 5y ago
  > ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI. That’s because CUI is a recent label. Per DoDI 5200.48, effective March 6, 2020, CUI is is replacing legacy labels such as For Official Use Only (FOUO), Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU), and Law Enforcement Sensitive (LES). [0] [0] https://www.dodcui.mil/ https://www.dodcui.mil/
- 5555624 5y ago
  > ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI. It's been around for more than 10 years. See CFR 2018 Title 32 Vol 6 Part 2002 (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title32-vol6/pdf/CFR-2018-title32-vol6-part2002.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title32-vol6/pd...) if you want details. DoD implementation ramped up about a year ago.
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  I've recently seen documents marked CUI. And yes, I went with the most recent information. However, there are many possible markings, https://www.archives.gov/cui/registry/category-marking-list https://www.archives.gov/cui/registry/category-marking-list. You might have seen documents marked 'Controlled' in the past. 800-171 has been required since 2017. Edited to add link to DoD CUI Training https://www.dodcui.mil/Portals/109/Documents/Training%20Docs/21-S-0588%20cleared%20CUI%20Awareness%20Training%20Nov%202020.pdf https://www.dodcui.mil/Portals/109/Documents/Training%20Docs...
- stripline 5y ago
  CUI is replacing FOUO. It is not made up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Unclassified_Information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Unclassified_Inform... I actually received documents marked CUI last week.
bladegash 5y ago
Spot on - Glad to see others from the cooey world on HN as well!
salawat 5y ago
This is one of tge more annoying aspects of the Executive branch that just rubs me the wrong way the older I get. The whole infor.ation control aspect. I do not like perception management, and for the definition of a set of public services, the Federal government sure does seem to do a hell of a lot of it. Nat Sec be damned, it isn't a blank check. Furthermore, once you start doing things like creating mew classifications to ease up the logistics of getting people who can actually work with it, that sure sounds like you're abusing classification (using the word in the "bucketing info for special treatment" sense) far beyond the realm of what you should be. Nevermind that it makes questions about the current state of DoD classification minutiae the best Fed bait on the planet.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  So if you're a suspect in a federal case, that should be public record? I should be able to get law enforcement's version of events and prejudge you based on a FOIA request, before you have a chance to defend yourself? And in return should you be able to get the name and contact information of the confidential informant in your case? All the witnesses against you and their CLEOC reports? Vehicle registrations, license plates, home phone numbers, home addresses? I think your position is untenable.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    It's a quite frustrating phenomenon on HN that when someone speaks from a position of expertise and experience, but it runs counter to the GRAR consensus, legitimate attempts at engagement get downvoted without response. If you don't think this is the kind of information that "Law Enforcement Sensitive" applies to, you are incorrect. If you do think this information should be released unfettered to the public, you should justify that position.

kryogen1c 5y ago

this is made up information. cmmc is not in effect, v1.02 is like 2 months old, and v2 is rumored to come out in a month or two. nist 800-171, which is where the majority of cmmc comes from, didnt even require formal external attestation until like 6 months ago when dfars 252.204-7019 required posting in SPRS to continue doing business with the DoD. ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI.

tediousdemise 5y ago
> ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI. That’s because CUI is a recent label. Per DoDI 5200.48, effective March 6, 2020, CUI is is replacing legacy labels such as For Official Use Only (FOUO), Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU), and Law Enforcement Sensitive (LES). [0] [0] https://www.dodcui.mil/ https://www.dodcui.mil/
5555624 5y ago
> ive never seen, nor heard of, anything actually marked as CUI. It's been around for more than 10 years. See CFR 2018 Title 32 Vol 6 Part 2002 (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title32-vol6/pdf/CFR-2018-title32-vol6-part2002.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title32-vol6/pd...) if you want details. DoD implementation ramped up about a year ago.
annoyingnoob 5y ago
I've recently seen documents marked CUI. And yes, I went with the most recent information. However, there are many possible markings, https://www.archives.gov/cui/registry/category-marking-list https://www.archives.gov/cui/registry/category-marking-list. You might have seen documents marked 'Controlled' in the past. 800-171 has been required since 2017. Edited to add link to DoD CUI Training https://www.dodcui.mil/Portals/109/Documents/Training%20Docs/21-S-0588%20cleared%20CUI%20Awareness%20Training%20Nov%202020.pdf https://www.dodcui.mil/Portals/109/Documents/Training%20Docs...
stripline 5y ago
CUI is replacing FOUO. It is not made up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Unclassified_Information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Unclassified_Inform... I actually received documents marked CUI last week.

bladegash 5y ago

Spot on - Glad to see others from the cooey world on HN as well!

salawat 5y ago

This is one of tge more annoying aspects of the Executive branch that just rubs me the wrong way the older I get. The whole infor.ation control aspect. I do not like perception management, and for the definition of a set of public services, the Federal government sure does seem to do a hell of a lot of it. Nat Sec be damned, it isn't a blank check. Furthermore, once you start doing things like creating mew classifications to ease up the logistics of getting people who can actually work with it, that sure sounds like you're abusing classification (using the word in the "bucketing info for special treatment" sense) far beyond the realm of what you should be. Nevermind that it makes questions about the current state of DoD classification minutiae the best Fed bait on the planet.

torstenvl 5y ago
So if you're a suspect in a federal case, that should be public record? I should be able to get law enforcement's version of events and prejudge you based on a FOIA request, before you have a chance to defend yourself? And in return should you be able to get the name and contact information of the confidential informant in your case? All the witnesses against you and their CLEOC reports? Vehicle registrations, license plates, home phone numbers, home addresses? I think your position is untenable.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  It's a quite frustrating phenomenon on HN that when someone speaks from a position of expertise and experience, but it runs counter to the GRAR consensus, legitimate attempts at engagement get downvoted without response. If you don't think this is the kind of information that "Law Enforcement Sensitive" applies to, you are incorrect. If you do think this information should be released unfettered to the public, you should justify that position.