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Except that’s not what the exposure notification APIs did at all. Location is never tracked or transmitted to anyone. What exactly would you have been concerne

Except that’s not what the exposure notification APIs did at all. Location is never tracked or transmitted to anyone. What exactly would you have been concerned about?

Lammy 5y ago
It is literally impossible to submit any exposure alert without including location data, and then it can reasonably be assumed that all the matched bluetooth device IDs were within the same general vicinity as well. Have you ever used a GeoIP database?
- dbbk 5y ago
  You clearly don't understand how the system works, there is no data related to location involved.
  - Lammy 5y ago
    You clearly don’t understand my point. It becomes location data as soon as it’s triggered.
    - dbbk 5y ago
      It doesn’t. I don’t know what to tell you. You should go back and re-read how it works.
      - Lammy 5y ago
        Sure, let’s see: https://www.blog.google/documents/57/Overview_of_COVID-19_Contact_Tracing_Using_BLE.pdf https://www.blog.google/documents/57/Overview_of_COVID-19_Co... Right away I notice the glaring omission of “the surveillance state” in the wording of certain sentences like “People who test positive are not identified to other users, Google or Apple“. “With Bob’s consent, his phone uploads the last 14 days of keys for his broadcast beacons to the cloud”, also giving away his geolocation in the process. My read of the “doesn’t collect location data” is “doesn’t explicitly collect location data”, like just because it doesn’t send a field ‘geolocation’ they can technically say that and not be lying. You should check out one of my very favorite blog posts of all time: https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...
        dbbk 5y ago
        This is literally an open specification. There is no geolocation involved here. You're talking out of your ass. Don't you think if geolocation was tracked people would have kicked up about this? It collects randomised Bluetooth IDs, that is it.
        Lammy 5y ago
        It’s impossible to know what metadata is stored, so I have to assume all of it is. Really weird how many people in this community are willing to defend surveillance now. As a former NSA director said, they want to “collect it all”. Why would this be any different? The crux of the NSA story in one phrase: 'collect it all' | Glenn Greenwald | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-n...
        dbbk 5y ago
        Posting bullshit from 2013 is not going to help you here.

Except that’s not what the exposure notification APIs did at all. Location is never tracked or transmitted to anyone. What exactly would you have been concerned about?

Lammy 5y ago

It is literally impossible to submit any exposure alert without including location data, and then it can reasonably be assumed that all the matched bluetooth device IDs were within the same general vicinity as well. Have you ever used a GeoIP database?

dbbk 5y ago
You clearly don't understand how the system works, there is no data related to location involved.
- Lammy 5y ago
  You clearly don’t understand my point. It becomes location data as soon as it’s triggered.
  - dbbk 5y ago
    It doesn’t. I don’t know what to tell you. You should go back and re-read how it works.
    - Lammy 5y ago
      Sure, let’s see: https://www.blog.google/documents/57/Overview_of_COVID-19_Contact_Tracing_Using_BLE.pdf https://www.blog.google/documents/57/Overview_of_COVID-19_Co... Right away I notice the glaring omission of “the surveillance state” in the wording of certain sentences like “People who test positive are not identified to other users, Google or Apple“. “With Bob’s consent, his phone uploads the last 14 days of keys for his broadcast beacons to the cloud”, also giving away his geolocation in the process. My read of the “doesn’t collect location data” is “doesn’t explicitly collect location data”, like just because it doesn’t send a field ‘geolocation’ they can technically say that and not be lying. You should check out one of my very favorite blog posts of all time: https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...
      - dbbk 5y ago
        This is literally an open specification. There is no geolocation involved here. You're talking out of your ass. Don't you think if geolocation was tracked people would have kicked up about this? It collects randomised Bluetooth IDs, that is it.
        Lammy 5y ago
        It’s impossible to know what metadata is stored, so I have to assume all of it is. Really weird how many people in this community are willing to defend surveillance now. As a former NSA director said, they want to “collect it all”. Why would this be any different? The crux of the NSA story in one phrase: 'collect it all' | Glenn Greenwald | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-n...
        dbbk 5y ago
        Posting bullshit from 2013 is not going to help you here.