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When ranked by COVID deaths per capita, Sweden is #27: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https:

When ranked by COVID deaths per capita, Sweden is #27: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... We should be concluding that lockdown and masks leads to more deaths, not less (or at the very least that they are an unjustifiably expensive public health intervention), and begin rolling back all restrictions immediately.

sofixa 5y ago
You can't compare countries like that. People live very differently in Sweden and India; the healthcare system is different, and so is climate, population density and distribution, customs ( e.g. in France people used to kiss on the cheek when meeting, including for the first time), etc. It would make more sense to compare similar countries, and Sweden is drastically worse than any its neighbours. Not only that, they changed course and added tougher restrictions than originally, so they themselves realised it doesn't work to fo nothing. Why do people still ignore that?
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  Sweden is not drastically worse than Denmark. [1] [1]: https://mobile.twitter.com/TedPetrou/status/1390340398699192320 https://mobile.twitter.com/TedPetrou/status/1390340398699192....
- username90 5y ago
  Sweden had a couple of days living lost per capita more than its neighbours last year, hardly a catastrophe. Maybe it was worth it for them, maybe not, but it is really hard to argue that the difference is so large that Sweden was objectively worse. If you argue about healthcare reforms overall then sweden does much better than Finland and Denmark, as expected lifespan was still much longer even when covid was at its worst. So a Sweden with covid every single year is still better off than Finland and Denmark without covid. Likely they could do better if they implemented some of Swedens others healthcare reforms rather than fight covid.
retrac 5y ago
Japan also never had any legally mandated lockdowns or business closures. (Their constitution wouldn't allow it, among other issues.) But Japan is very different. A strong recommendation from health authorities with broad social compliance there may as well carry the full weight of a law. It's a country where your lost wallet will almost certainly be returned to you by a random stranger who finds it. Can you guess which country is often in the top five with Japan in studies which test civic virtue like that? Yep. Sweden. It's worth noting that the governments in both Japan and Sweden have very strongly recommended distancing, and probably just as importantly they've provided some funding to allow individuals and businesses to comply. Just paying people to stay home without a compulsory element might have been quite effective in many societies with relatively high civic virtue and social trust, but only Japan and Sweden seem to have actually tried it. Besides, if we're just cherry-picking examples -- well, Canada is doing much better than Sweden. Or America. And Canada is more comparable to America than Sweden. And Canada has had more drastic shutdowns and restrictions compared to America. So how does that fit into the picture?

sofixa 5y ago

You can't compare countries like that. People live very differently in Sweden and India; the healthcare system is different, and so is climate, population density and distribution, customs ( e.g. in France people used to kiss on the cheek when meeting, including for the first time), etc. It would make more sense to compare similar countries, and Sweden is drastically worse than any its neighbours. Not only that, they changed course and added tougher restrictions than originally, so they themselves realised it doesn't work to fo nothing. Why do people still ignore that?

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Sweden is not drastically worse than Denmark. [1] [1]: https://mobile.twitter.com/TedPetrou/status/1390340398699192320 https://mobile.twitter.com/TedPetrou/status/1390340398699192....
username90 5y ago
Sweden had a couple of days living lost per capita more than its neighbours last year, hardly a catastrophe. Maybe it was worth it for them, maybe not, but it is really hard to argue that the difference is so large that Sweden was objectively worse. If you argue about healthcare reforms overall then sweden does much better than Finland and Denmark, as expected lifespan was still much longer even when covid was at its worst. So a Sweden with covid every single year is still better off than Finland and Denmark without covid. Likely they could do better if they implemented some of Swedens others healthcare reforms rather than fight covid.

retrac 5y ago

Japan also never had any legally mandated lockdowns or business closures. (Their constitution wouldn't allow it, among other issues.) But Japan is very different. A strong recommendation from health authorities with broad social compliance there may as well carry the full weight of a law. It's a country where your lost wallet will almost certainly be returned to you by a random stranger who finds it. Can you guess which country is often in the top five with Japan in studies which test civic virtue like that? Yep. Sweden. It's worth noting that the governments in both Japan and Sweden have very strongly recommended distancing, and probably just as importantly they've provided some funding to allow individuals and businesses to comply. Just paying people to stay home without a compulsory element might have been quite effective in many societies with relatively high civic virtue and social trust, but only Japan and Sweden seem to have actually tried it. Besides, if we're just cherry-picking examples -- well, Canada is doing much better than Sweden. Or America. And Canada is more comparable to America than Sweden. And Canada has had more drastic shutdowns and restrictions compared to America. So how does that fit into the picture?