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As others have pointed out the death toll from COVID is truly astounding. Get your vaccines if you can. That being said, excess mortality is not purely from CO

As others have pointed out the death toll from COVID is truly astounding. Get your vaccines if you can. That being said, excess mortality is not purely from COVID. There are widely reported drops in treatment for various cancers [1,2,3]. The link between COVID and diabetes is also very complicated and will take years to figure out what happened. The grim bright side is that we've seemed to hit peak excess deaths and may be dipping below and so the 900k number might decrease a little moving forward [4]. [1] - https://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/covid-19-and-breast-cancer-care#breastcancer https://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/covid-19-and-breast-c... [2] - https://ascopubs.org/doi/full/10.1200/CCI.20.00134 https://ascopubs.org/doi/full/10.1200/CCI.20.00134 [3] - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaoncology/fullarticle/2774867?guestAccessKey=8e9733f4-229b-4616-a1fe-169ee2e23abd&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=011421 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaoncology/fullarticle/27... [4] - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

pelasaco 5y ago
Isn't "total mortality due to COVID-19" different than "total mortality from COVID-19"? As I understand the cancer treatments were aborted due COVID-19, therefore, more person died due to COVID-19 but not necessarily from COVID-19... does it make sense?
- hervature 5y ago
  I think that's exactly the criticism of this paper. They are precisely saying "total mortality due to COVID-19" = "total mortality from COVID-19". From the paper: > for now we assume that total COVID-19 deaths equal excess mortality
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  Well that's a question of if you think the lockdowns were necessary or not. If you think they were, then of course excess mortality is due to covid. If you think they weren't then that excess mortality was due to unneeded human intervention. Of course the answer is somewhere in between, that is, some degree of lockdowns and therefore the deaths attendant to that were overzealous, and that throws this entire model in the trash.

pelasaco 5y ago

Isn't "total mortality due to COVID-19" different than "total mortality from COVID-19"? As I understand the cancer treatments were aborted due COVID-19, therefore, more person died due to COVID-19 but not necessarily from COVID-19... does it make sense?

hervature 5y ago
I think that's exactly the criticism of this paper. They are precisely saying "total mortality due to COVID-19" = "total mortality from COVID-19". From the paper: > for now we assume that total COVID-19 deaths equal excess mortality
betwixthewires 5y ago
Well that's a question of if you think the lockdowns were necessary or not. If you think they were, then of course excess mortality is due to covid. If you think they weren't then that excess mortality was due to unneeded human intervention. Of course the answer is somewhere in between, that is, some degree of lockdowns and therefore the deaths attendant to that were overzealous, and that throws this entire model in the trash.