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Your choice to be ignorant about the contact tracing frameworks is your own, but please stop spreading misinformation: https://www.google.com/covid19/exposureno

Your choice to be ignorant about the contact tracing frameworks is your own, but please stop spreading misinformation: https://www.google.com/covid19/exposurenotifications/#exposure-notifications-and-privacy https://www.google.com/covid19/exposurenotifications/#exposu... There were many locations who built their own apps that did not follow this privacy model, or used it incorrectly, but for most cases "your location data being put into some database" is not accurate.

hparadiz 5y ago
> There were many locations who built their own apps that did not follow this privacy model, or used it incorrectly We agree then.
- simonh 5y ago
  No we don't, because the systems you actually specified are known for a fact not to do the things you alleged that they do.
- azinman2 5y ago
  You mentioned Apple & Google remotely installing something, so the only logical conclusion is that you're talking about Exposure Notifications (which btw are opt-in, not opt-out, so remotely installed is a mischaracterization here). If someone built their own solution and put it on the app store, then it doesn't really have much to do at all with Apple or Google outside of being distributed on their platforms, and certainly would never be remotely installed (at least on Apple platforms... I have no idea what Oppo might do in China for example, but whatever they'd be doing would likely be because some country law dictated it).
Lammy 5y ago
There is no amount of mental gymnastics you can do to turn “app that tracks when yours and other phones are together and does <something> about it” into something that is inside my moral boundaries.
- azinman2 5y ago
  Then I'd suggest you're not being reasonable at all, because the way it works is entirely consistent with a privacy-first methodology. That <something> by the way is to take the database that's only on your phone (and never uploaded) and show only you an alert. That's it. If this is immoral, but letting covid spread around the world and have people needlessly suffer because you refuse reasonable interventions, then I don't know what is moral.

hparadiz 5y ago

> There were many locations who built their own apps that did not follow this privacy model, or used it incorrectly We agree then.

simonh 5y ago
No we don't, because the systems you actually specified are known for a fact not to do the things you alleged that they do.
azinman2 5y ago
You mentioned Apple & Google remotely installing something, so the only logical conclusion is that you're talking about Exposure Notifications (which btw are opt-in, not opt-out, so remotely installed is a mischaracterization here). If someone built their own solution and put it on the app store, then it doesn't really have much to do at all with Apple or Google outside of being distributed on their platforms, and certainly would never be remotely installed (at least on Apple platforms... I have no idea what Oppo might do in China for example, but whatever they'd be doing would likely be because some country law dictated it).

Lammy 5y ago

There is no amount of mental gymnastics you can do to turn “app that tracks when yours and other phones are together and does <something> about it” into something that is inside my moral boundaries.

azinman2 5y ago
Then I'd suggest you're not being reasonable at all, because the way it works is entirely consistent with a privacy-first methodology. That <something> by the way is to take the database that's only on your phone (and never uploaded) and show only you an alert. That's it. If this is immoral, but letting covid spread around the world and have people needlessly suffer because you refuse reasonable interventions, then I don't know what is moral.