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>Are we still in the middle of the pandemic? At least where I live, anyone who wants a vaccine has been able to get one for a month, so pretty much anyone who w

by soperj 6y ago

>Are we still in the middle of the pandemic? At least where I live, anyone who wants a vaccine has been able to get one for a month, so pretty much anyone who wants to be should be fully vaccinated in the next few weeks. USA is still #3 in the world for cases per day.

Rebelgecko 6y ago
It's kind of whack to use absolute # of cases instead of per capita numbers when country populations vary by orders of magnitude. Countries with slightly fewer cases than USA (Turkey, France, Germany) all have MUCH smaller populations so it doesn't make sense to say they're doing "better"
- soperj 6y ago
  Is it? I'm just pointing out that the USA still getting a lot of cases. I'm not saying that other countries are doing better. Would it be better to point out that just under a 1000 people a day are still dying from it in the US? What's the better metric?
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    The US is the third most populous country in the world. Even if the pandemic were over and COVID were incredibly rare and evenly distributed throughout the world, it would be the expected outcome for the USA to be #3 in the world for new cases because we are #3 in the world for total number of people. >Would it be better to point out that just under a 1000 people a day are still dying from it in the US? No, any sort of absolute count is going to be equally misleading. For example my city had 5 covid deaths yesterday. Does that mean that we're 200x safer than the rest of the US? Of course not, it just means that you're comparing two populations of different size. >What's the better metric? Anything that's normalized by population size. For example per capita new cases or per capita deaths.
    - soperj 6y ago
      >What's the better metric? The question was rhetorical. There is no better metric for showing the pandemic is still on going. If you have 50k cases a day, and 1000 deaths a day, it doesn't matter if other countries are lower or higher, it's clearly on going.
      - Rebelgecko 6y ago
        Right now the 7 day avg is below 700 deaths per day and has been steadily declining since the peak in January when it was over 3,000. There's been roughly a 5x reduction in cases as well (45k cases per day over last week down from 260k per day over the worst week in January). To me the strong downward trend indicates that we're cruising towards the end of the pandemic. I can't see it lasting another 4 months, let alone another year (although the COVID rate might never return to 0). How many deaths per day would you use as a threshold for being past the middle of the pandemic?
        soperj 6y ago
        1000 deaths, 700 deaths. It doesn't matter. Is the pandemic still on going? Yes. The answer is yes. I really don't care to get into the minutia when the answer is still yes.
infamouscow 6y ago
Can you explain how the case count is even remotely relevant if anyone that wants a vaccine can get one?
- soperj 6y ago
  Because you're still getting 50 thousand a day regardless?

by soperj 6y ago

Rebelgecko 6y ago

It's kind of whack to use absolute # of cases instead of per capita numbers when country populations vary by orders of magnitude. Countries with slightly fewer cases than USA (Turkey, France, Germany) all have MUCH smaller populations so it doesn't make sense to say they're doing "better"

soperj 6y ago
Is it? I'm just pointing out that the USA still getting a lot of cases. I'm not saying that other countries are doing better. Would it be better to point out that just under a 1000 people a day are still dying from it in the US? What's the better metric?
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  The US is the third most populous country in the world. Even if the pandemic were over and COVID were incredibly rare and evenly distributed throughout the world, it would be the expected outcome for the USA to be #3 in the world for new cases because we are #3 in the world for total number of people. >Would it be better to point out that just under a 1000 people a day are still dying from it in the US? No, any sort of absolute count is going to be equally misleading. For example my city had 5 covid deaths yesterday. Does that mean that we're 200x safer than the rest of the US? Of course not, it just means that you're comparing two populations of different size. >What's the better metric? Anything that's normalized by population size. For example per capita new cases or per capita deaths.
  - soperj 6y ago
    >What's the better metric? The question was rhetorical. There is no better metric for showing the pandemic is still on going. If you have 50k cases a day, and 1000 deaths a day, it doesn't matter if other countries are lower or higher, it's clearly on going.
    - Rebelgecko 6y ago
      Right now the 7 day avg is below 700 deaths per day and has been steadily declining since the peak in January when it was over 3,000. There's been roughly a 5x reduction in cases as well (45k cases per day over last week down from 260k per day over the worst week in January). To me the strong downward trend indicates that we're cruising towards the end of the pandemic. I can't see it lasting another 4 months, let alone another year (although the COVID rate might never return to 0). How many deaths per day would you use as a threshold for being past the middle of the pandemic?
      - soperj 6y ago
        1000 deaths, 700 deaths. It doesn't matter. Is the pandemic still on going? Yes. The answer is yes. I really don't care to get into the minutia when the answer is still yes.

infamouscow 6y ago

Can you explain how the case count is even remotely relevant if anyone that wants a vaccine can get one?

soperj 6y ago
Because you're still getting 50 thousand a day regardless?