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While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. F

While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. For a long time they’ve had an “on device” policy to handling data. Buy a new phone and your frequently visited locations list is empty. Most of their AI stuff only lives on your device. Of course there are limits to what can be handled on your device, but they’re generally pretty open about what happens where. Make no mistake, the privacy stance is a profit maker for Apple, and that’s the real reason they’re doing it. In any case, I’m way more likely to trust Apple with my data than Google or Microsoft. Google and (to some extent) Microsoft has based their business around collecting and/or selling my data, Apple makes a living by selling me hardware and software, and privacy is the one parameter that Apple can compete on that will directly reduce profits of its competitors. https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/A_Day_in_the_Life_of_Your_Data.pdf https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/A_Day_in_the_Life_of_Your... As well as https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-r...

libertine 5y ago
I do agree with you that it's part of Apple new positioning, that they are a privacy first company, yet I think you missed my point: I'm talking about consent. When you said: >While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. I don't doubt it, what I meant is that even for that there's no explicit consent in the way they are doing with the Apps on appstore (they probably mix it when you're setting up your account). Because you might have apps that collected even less data then Apple, and they are still subject the user consent message. I can see from the downvotes that this is not a popular opinion, which is odd - I'm just saying that everyone should play by the same rules, else there's an asymmetry that will favor the ones who can circumvent this limitation, which in this case, it's Apple. It's just not coherent, since it's not about collecting a lot, or very little data, it's about users giving explicit consent to share data.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > everyone should play by the same rules Apple's apps have never done what the App Tracking policy stops App developers from doing. To be clear, this new policy is not about apps tracking their own customers—that's always going to happen. This policy is designed to stop companies like Facebook from tracking your activity across multiple apps on your device. > you might have apps that collected even less data then Apple, and they are still subject the user consent message. The consent requirement has got nothing to do with how much data they're collecting about you, rather with what they're doing with the data that has been collected. > I can see from the downvotes that this is not a popular opinion The downvotes are not because your opinion is unpopular, it's because your opinion is grounded in the aforementioned misunderstandings.

libertine 5y ago

I do agree with you that it's part of Apple new positioning, that they are a privacy first company, yet I think you missed my point: I'm talking about consent. When you said: >While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. I don't doubt it, what I meant is that even for that there's no explicit consent in the way they are doing with the Apps on appstore (they probably mix it when you're setting up your account). Because you might have apps that collected even less data then Apple, and they are still subject the user consent message. I can see from the downvotes that this is not a popular opinion, which is odd - I'm just saying that everyone should play by the same rules, else there's an asymmetry that will favor the ones who can circumvent this limitation, which in this case, it's Apple. It's just not coherent, since it's not about collecting a lot, or very little data, it's about users giving explicit consent to share data.

simondotau 5y ago
> everyone should play by the same rules Apple's apps have never done what the App Tracking policy stops App developers from doing. To be clear, this new policy is not about apps tracking their own customers—that's always going to happen. This policy is designed to stop companies like Facebook from tracking your activity across multiple apps on your device. > you might have apps that collected even less data then Apple, and they are still subject the user consent message. The consent requirement has got nothing to do with how much data they're collecting about you, rather with what they're doing with the data that has been collected. > I can see from the downvotes that this is not a popular opinion The downvotes are not because your opinion is unpopular, it's because your opinion is grounded in the aforementioned misunderstandings.