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It's Wayland-only, right? Alacritty OTOH not only works on X11, but is cross-platform.

by abrowne 5y ago

bitwize 5y ago
X11's been EOL'd, dude.
- dsr_ 5y ago
  And yet everybody still uses it except the developers.
  - Seirdy 5y ago
    I wouldn't go that far. Most distros have switched to GNOME on Wayland by default, and Fedora 34's KDE spin has switched to Wayland too. Sway is niche but not insignificant anymore (I use Sway). X11 is definitely not dead yet, though. FLTK programs, Wine, and some game engines still require X11.
- fullstop 5y ago
  I keep going back to X11 for various reasons. I was close last time, but google chrome still has various problems with wayland if one has more than one window open. I know that this is a chrome bug, but it ruins the experience and for this use case I can not use Firefox.
  - abrowne 5y ago
    Same. I'm slowly switching from GNOME to Sway, but I'm not going 100% until Chromium's Wayland support is better, since I spend 98% of my time in Chromium or VS Code. The good news is they are actively working on it since ChromeOS will (does?) use Wayland so they can split the Chromium browser from the Chromium that runs the OS shell.
  - FreeFull 5y ago
    If last time you tried using Wayland was Sway, maybe this is the issue you were running into: https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/2889 https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/2889 TL;DR: Drag and drop involving chromium or electron windows has been buggy. wlroots/sway has not implemented _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING, and both the fallback code inside Chrome/Chromium and the way sway has been stacking Xwayland windows have been buggy. A patch has been submitted to Chromium to fix the faulty fallback, the sway bug will be fixed, and wlroots will also support _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING, so by the time the next sway release comes out everything should be ironed out.
    - fullstop 5y ago
      It's actually this issue here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1563 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1563
- rangerelf 5y ago
  Keep saying that dude, maybe one of these decades it might even be true.
  - bitwize 5y ago
    Maintenance on the xorg server code base has all but ground to a halt. The next release is nowhere to be seen. Eventually Red Hat just said fuck this shit and started rolling xwayland-only releases.

It's Wayland-only, right? Alacritty OTOH not only works on X11, but is cross-platform.

bitwize 5y ago

X11's been EOL'd, dude.

dsr_ 5y ago
And yet everybody still uses it except the developers.
- Seirdy 5y ago
  I wouldn't go that far. Most distros have switched to GNOME on Wayland by default, and Fedora 34's KDE spin has switched to Wayland too. Sway is niche but not insignificant anymore (I use Sway). X11 is definitely not dead yet, though. FLTK programs, Wine, and some game engines still require X11.
fullstop 5y ago
I keep going back to X11 for various reasons. I was close last time, but google chrome still has various problems with wayland if one has more than one window open. I know that this is a chrome bug, but it ruins the experience and for this use case I can not use Firefox.
- abrowne 5y ago
  Same. I'm slowly switching from GNOME to Sway, but I'm not going 100% until Chromium's Wayland support is better, since I spend 98% of my time in Chromium or VS Code. The good news is they are actively working on it since ChromeOS will (does?) use Wayland so they can split the Chromium browser from the Chromium that runs the OS shell.
- FreeFull 5y ago
  If last time you tried using Wayland was Sway, maybe this is the issue you were running into: https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/2889 https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/2889 TL;DR: Drag and drop involving chromium or electron windows has been buggy. wlroots/sway has not implemented _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING, and both the fallback code inside Chrome/Chromium and the way sway has been stacking Xwayland windows have been buggy. A patch has been submitted to Chromium to fix the faulty fallback, the sway bug will be fixed, and wlroots will also support _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING, so by the time the next sway release comes out everything should be ironed out.
  - fullstop 5y ago
    It's actually this issue here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1563 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1563
rangerelf 5y ago
Keep saying that dude, maybe one of these decades it might even be true.
- bitwize 5y ago
  Maintenance on the xorg server code base has all but ground to a halt. The next release is nowhere to be seen. Eventually Red Hat just said fuck this shit and started rolling xwayland-only releases.