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I used to use termite, but switched to kitty for ... reasons I can't remember now. Does alacritty support ligatures yet? I've been using kitty because it does,

I used to use termite, but switched to kitty for ... reasons I can't remember now. Does alacritty support ligatures yet? I've been using kitty because it does, but then I have issues with tmux in kitty ... I know, I want my cake and eat it

shi_tty 5y ago
Lots of things alacritty cannot do- 1) If you scale certain fonts using fontconfig, alacritty would ignore that. 2) No emoji colors, no ligatures (and thus no flags), also emoji size has problems ... and not to mention it's one of the slowest (yes! contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large) terminals out there. List is endless, termite had its place, but there is no doubt that there is so much ego in OSS that one solution canot fit all Personally I'm keeping an eye out for wezterm, it seems all the good things of alacritty without the self-congratulation part
- Rompect 5y ago
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- creata 5y ago
  > contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large They state explicitly on their README that they're measuring throughput, not latency. Besides that, all three of your complaints are true as far as I'm aware, and they are major dealbreakers.
- dbrgn 5y ago
  > 2) No emoji colors Colored emoji are working fine in my alacritty terminal. Here's my fontconfig file: https://github.com/dbrgn/dotfiles/blob/master/fonts.conf https://github.com/dbrgn/dotfiles/blob/master/fonts.conf
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Colored emojis work fine, but for ligatures you need kitty as far as I'm aware. I ran into this when attempt internationalization of a website.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  > ... and not to mention it's one of the slowest (yes! contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large) terminals out there. This is intriguing to me. You're not the first I've seen complaining about this, so there must be something to it. But in my case, on a fairly low-end machine, what I type shows up instantaneously[0] on the screen, even when the CPU is busy compiling. I'm running an i5-6500 with integrated hd 530 graphics and a 4K screen. I use i3 (so X11) and Picom with a bunch of effects. --- [0] I have a mechanical keyboard, and if I push the key all the way down, I hear the sound of the key bottoming out after I see the character on the screen.
  - zokier 5y ago
    Nothing with computers is instantaneous. I strongly suspect that there is at least 15ms of latency in your setup, and probably much more. Different people have different sensitivity to latency, just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it isn't there.
    - vladvasiliu 5y ago
      Well, you're right, technically. But in that case, all terminal applications have latency, so is your point that the parent's complaint is unfounded? In these kinds of discussions, the talk is usually about perceived latency not absolute latency. If it feels like there's basically none, then it's good enough. It doesn't mean there's absolutely 0.0 ns latency. > Different people have different sensitivity to latency This I can get behind. But I doubt that what seems instantaneous to me would seem "terribly long a time" to someone else, especially since I look specifically for this. As you pointed out, no terminal app has absolute 0 latency, so if one particular software has terrible latency compared to another one, the difference would have to be pretty huge. Do note that I'm not talking about being bothered by the latency. I know a lot of people who will notice the latency when pointed out to them, but they don't really care. Personally, I hate when things lag, even if I may happen to have a worse perception than average (don't actually know if that's the case).
      - zokier 5y ago
- fuzxi 5y ago
  What's the appeal of emoji in the terminal?
  - oblio 5y ago
    Well, a random example, I imagine that people want to: cat randomfile and see the output correctly, at least.
lvass 5y ago
What issues? Attaching to a session created in another emulator? I tried switching from kitty to alacritty and it was definitely not worth it, kitty's docs, and features, are just absurdly better.
bntyhntr 5y ago
I've been running kitty and tmux for over a year now and if I have any issues with tmux I've been inured to them. Oh wait, I think a lot of kittens don't work and that might be related? What problems do you have?
gregwebs 5y ago
kitty has lower latency than Alacritty. Alacritty is optimized for throughput and is the best for that, but I don't understand who would prefer throughput over latency in a terminal setting. I switched from kitty to wezterm. I don't have an official benchmark like the below [1], but low latency is an explicit goal of the project and it seems on par with kitty. [1] https://tomscii.sig7.se/2021/01/Typing-latency-of-Zutty https://tomscii.sig7.se/2021/01/Typing-latency-of-Zutty
jarenmf 5y ago
Same here, kitty is amazing. It supports ligatures and also BiDi. Both of which alacritty don't support. I wish kitty had sub-pixel rendering though.

shi_tty 5y ago

Lots of things alacritty cannot do- 1) If you scale certain fonts using fontconfig, alacritty would ignore that. 2) No emoji colors, no ligatures (and thus no flags), also emoji size has problems ... and not to mention it's one of the slowest (yes! contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large) terminals out there. List is endless, termite had its place, but there is no doubt that there is so much ego in OSS that one solution canot fit all Personally I'm keeping an eye out for wezterm, it seems all the good things of alacritty without the self-congratulation part

Rompect 5y ago
Account created: 10 minutes ago Comments: 1
creata 5y ago
> contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large They state explicitly on their README that they're measuring throughput, not latency. Besides that, all three of your complaints are true as far as I'm aware, and they are major dealbreakers.
dbrgn 5y ago
> 2) No emoji colors Colored emoji are working fine in my alacritty terminal. Here's my fontconfig file: https://github.com/dbrgn/dotfiles/blob/master/fonts.conf https://github.com/dbrgn/dotfiles/blob/master/fonts.conf
encryptluks2 5y ago
Colored emojis work fine, but for ligatures you need kitty as far as I'm aware. I ran into this when attempt internationalization of a website.
vladvasiliu 5y ago
> ... and not to mention it's one of the slowest (yes! contrary to what they blowhard they response time to keys is very large) terminals out there. This is intriguing to me. You're not the first I've seen complaining about this, so there must be something to it. But in my case, on a fairly low-end machine, what I type shows up instantaneously[0] on the screen, even when the CPU is busy compiling. I'm running an i5-6500 with integrated hd 530 graphics and a 4K screen. I use i3 (so X11) and Picom with a bunch of effects. --- [0] I have a mechanical keyboard, and if I push the key all the way down, I hear the sound of the key bottoming out after I see the character on the screen.
- zokier 5y ago
  Nothing with computers is instantaneous. I strongly suspect that there is at least 15ms of latency in your setup, and probably much more. Different people have different sensitivity to latency, just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it isn't there.
  - vladvasiliu 5y ago
    Well, you're right, technically. But in that case, all terminal applications have latency, so is your point that the parent's complaint is unfounded? In these kinds of discussions, the talk is usually about perceived latency not absolute latency. If it feels like there's basically none, then it's good enough. It doesn't mean there's absolutely 0.0 ns latency. > Different people have different sensitivity to latency This I can get behind. But I doubt that what seems instantaneous to me would seem "terribly long a time" to someone else, especially since I look specifically for this. As you pointed out, no terminal app has absolute 0 latency, so if one particular software has terrible latency compared to another one, the difference would have to be pretty huge. Do note that I'm not talking about being bothered by the latency. I know a lot of people who will notice the latency when pointed out to them, but they don't really care. Personally, I hate when things lag, even if I may happen to have a worse perception than average (don't actually know if that's the case).
    - zokier 5y ago
fuzxi 5y ago
What's the appeal of emoji in the terminal?
- oblio 5y ago
  Well, a random example, I imagine that people want to: cat randomfile and see the output correctly, at least.

lvass 5y ago

What issues? Attaching to a session created in another emulator? I tried switching from kitty to alacritty and it was definitely not worth it, kitty's docs, and features, are just absurdly better.

bntyhntr 5y ago

I've been running kitty and tmux for over a year now and if I have any issues with tmux I've been inured to them. Oh wait, I think a lot of kittens don't work and that might be related? What problems do you have?

gregwebs 5y ago

kitty has lower latency than Alacritty. Alacritty is optimized for throughput and is the best for that, but I don't understand who would prefer throughput over latency in a terminal setting. I switched from kitty to wezterm. I don't have an official benchmark like the below [1], but low latency is an explicit goal of the project and it seems on par with kitty. [1] https://tomscii.sig7.se/2021/01/Typing-latency-of-Zutty https://tomscii.sig7.se/2021/01/Typing-latency-of-Zutty

jarenmf 5y ago

Same here, kitty is amazing. It supports ligatures and also BiDi. Both of which alacritty don't support. I wish kitty had sub-pixel rendering though.