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I prefer Python for this because more OSes ship with it, it has a fairly rich standard library, and SREs are more comfortable with it, so you're more likely to

I prefer Python for this because more OSes ship with it, it has a fairly rich standard library, and SREs are more comfortable with it, so you're more likely to find others using it as glue.

throw_m239339 6y ago
> I prefer Python for this because more OSes ship with it, it has a fairly rich standard library, I mean nodejs =/= javascript, the problem is nodejs and some of the people who designed it who basically made it so that it would rely heavily on NPM, a commercial solution, thanks to the virtually non existing standard library. Now Microsoft virtually owns Nodejs since it owns NPM. Nodejs creator himself regretted this decision, publicly.
- Shacklz 6y ago
  For what I called "plumbing"-scripts above, I rarely ever need any dependencies via npm. What nodeJS delivers out of the box suffices completely. Sure, doing things like http directly with node is a bit cumbersome and having a library that does some abstraction comes in handy if you're working on something that goes way beyond what you'd ever consider doing in bash. But especially for that very purpose of things where I used nodeJS instead of using bash, nodeJS always had everything I needed out-of-the-box, almost never required any dependencies. That being said, if you re-use code, plan to share scripts etc. with other people and all these things - using something like typescript (and possibly some testing-libraries) comes in very handy for maintainability, and there you can't get around npm. But for one-off-"plubming-scripts", nodeJS had all I ever needed.
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deergomoo 6y ago
This will probably not be particularly popular with the HN crowd, but PHP is also a surprisingly capable general purpose scripting language. It's pre-installed on a lot of systems, backwards compatibility is good, and despite the inconsistencies, the standard lib can do a lot of stuff.
- tored 6y ago
  Agree, but it would be nice to have access to the entire composer community without setting up a composer environment, so not to toot my own horn, but I wrote proof of concept script to download PHP composer dependencies by parsing comments from the PHP script itself. https://gist.github.com/tored/b500eb7c10fbabbe2043126e51caf2f7 https://gist.github.com/tored/b500eb7c10fbabbe2043126e51caf2... It would be nice to have something like this more integrated within the shell or maybe composer itself.

I prefer Python for this because more OSes ship with it, it has a fairly rich standard library, and SREs are more comfortable with it, so you're more likely to find others using it as glue.

throw_m239339 6y ago

> I prefer Python for this because more OSes ship with it, it has a fairly rich standard library, I mean nodejs =/= javascript, the problem is nodejs and some of the people who designed it who basically made it so that it would rely heavily on NPM, a commercial solution, thanks to the virtually non existing standard library. Now Microsoft virtually owns Nodejs since it owns NPM. Nodejs creator himself regretted this decision, publicly.

Shacklz 6y ago
For what I called "plumbing"-scripts above, I rarely ever need any dependencies via npm. What nodeJS delivers out of the box suffices completely. Sure, doing things like http directly with node is a bit cumbersome and having a library that does some abstraction comes in handy if you're working on something that goes way beyond what you'd ever consider doing in bash. But especially for that very purpose of things where I used nodeJS instead of using bash, nodeJS always had everything I needed out-of-the-box, almost never required any dependencies. That being said, if you re-use code, plan to share scripts etc. with other people and all these things - using something like typescript (and possibly some testing-libraries) comes in very handy for maintainability, and there you can't get around npm. But for one-off-"plubming-scripts", nodeJS had all I ever needed.
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deergomoo 6y ago

This will probably not be particularly popular with the HN crowd, but PHP is also a surprisingly capable general purpose scripting language. It's pre-installed on a lot of systems, backwards compatibility is good, and despite the inconsistencies, the standard lib can do a lot of stuff.

tored 6y ago
Agree, but it would be nice to have access to the entire composer community without setting up a composer environment, so not to toot my own horn, but I wrote proof of concept script to download PHP composer dependencies by parsing comments from the PHP script itself. https://gist.github.com/tored/b500eb7c10fbabbe2043126e51caf2f7 https://gist.github.com/tored/b500eb7c10fbabbe2043126e51caf2... It would be nice to have something like this more integrated within the shell or maybe composer itself.