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Seed oils are toxic. These fake "meats" are the some of the worst processed foods around. It's sad people are being duped once again by the food industry and me

Seed oils are toxic. These fake "meats" are the some of the worst processed foods around. It's sad people are being duped once again by the food industry and medical establishment. This will only further worsen the awful health of the population.

toper-centage 5y ago
I never understood beyond for a health product though. Is that really their branding?
- lambdaba 5y ago
  That's people's perception: meat is unhealthy, but now there's this vegetable-based "meat" that's better, tastes just as good and as a bonus it's saving the planet etc.
toper-centage 5y ago
Also, do you have more on thst "seed oils are toxic"? Literally never heard about that.
- lambdaba 5y ago
  See this for the example https://youtu.be/ZdhywL6icZU https://youtu.be/ZdhywL6icZU There is a ton of info, just look around. Also, what is the common ingredient in all processed foods? This is what is making people fat. Omega-6 integrates in body fat, easily oxidized and unstable, rendering our own fat inaccessible for energy, so we're chronically hungry, tired, and inflamed. Than add in sugar and salt for hyperpalability. We've been hacked. Seed oils are nothing more than industrial waste sold as food for profits.
  - open0 5y ago
    Chia and flax seeds are some of the best sources of Omega-3s...
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      Flax doesn't have omega-3, but alpha-linolenic acid, which depending on your genetics you might not be able to convert to omega-3 sufficiently (see rs174547 gene). Sufficient omega-3 intake doesn't entirely mitigate the ills from omega-6 anyway, and there are other toxins in seed oils as well.
  - knuthsat 5y ago
    Just like meat is not toxic, neither is seed oil. I've been eating large amounts (~1000kcal a day) of flaxseed oil, olive oil, pumpkin seed oil, coconut oil and there has been no ill-effect on my cardiovascular or general health at all, after years of doing that. This orthorexic behavior by labeling certain foods as unhealthy or healthy is the real problem. Any kind of diet needs to be accompanied by a proper lifestyle. Eating a high calorie diet and then not having any physical activity is just asking for a bunch of metabolic issues. Particular food item is not healthy or unhealthy, toxic or rejuvenating. It's the lifestyle+diet that can be labeled as healthy/unhealthy.
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      You're evidently misinformed, I've provided references (see Dr. Cate Shanahan for one) here regarding seed oils. There is no doubt they are toxic. Glad you're healthy, but look around you. These are the worst ones: Canola, Corn, Cottonseed Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran. Also, olives and coconuts are fruits. This idea that physical activity will balance out an unhealthy diet is wrong and has been proven wrong by decades of people attempting just that. It doesn't work. Once your metabolism is damaged by your diet, no amount of physical activity (if you can muster it) will fix it.
      - knuthsat 5y ago
        How am I misinformed? These doctors are exhibiting and supporting orthorexic behavior. I'm surely not going to listen to them. There's a bunch of papers on Neu5Gc, should I start being scared of meat toxicity? Diet containing seed oils can be healthy. Nowhere have I made an argument that an unhealthy diet will be countered by physical activity.
        lambdaba 5y ago
        You keep saying "orthorexic" and I keep saying "toxic", up to you to look up the info which is abundant.
        5y ago
ainiriand 5y ago
The WHO directly said that meat is an important contributor to many forms of cancer: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenic... The problem here is that everyone takes the info they want and discards the rest. Eating meat is not problematic, if done moderately. But nowadays there is not such moderation. There is meat in every meal. Fake burgers are probably not healthy too, but this is not proven yet. Just be moderate with what you eat.
- lambdaba 5y ago
  This is all based on awfully bad epidemiological studies. Humans were eating MUCH more meat for most of our evolutionary past. Look how unhealthy we are now, and we aren't eating more meat. We're eating more plant fats and sugar. There is literally nothing unhealthy in eating meat, not more for us than for a lion.
  - jacobmischka 5y ago
    Lions, and our ancestors, ate much leaner grass fed animals compared to our factory-fattened cows and pigs. I don't believe hunter gatherers were eating meat with 15-20% fat content as often as Americans eat burgers.
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      On the contrary, fat is prized by hunter-gatherers and humans likely had access to much more fat (megafauna) for much of our evolutionary history. Fat allowed us to supply for the high energy needs of our brains. This isn't my own speculation but collated from various sources, I can provide if interested just don't have them on hand.
      - jacobmischka 5y ago
        Yes, it was certainly prized because of its high calorie content and relative scarcity compared to today, when one can have a virtually unlimited supply. That's why it tastes good.

toper-centage 5y ago

I never understood beyond for a health product though. Is that really their branding?

lambdaba 5y ago
That's people's perception: meat is unhealthy, but now there's this vegetable-based "meat" that's better, tastes just as good and as a bonus it's saving the planet etc.

toper-centage 5y ago

Also, do you have more on thst "seed oils are toxic"? Literally never heard about that.

lambdaba 5y ago
See this for the example https://youtu.be/ZdhywL6icZU https://youtu.be/ZdhywL6icZU There is a ton of info, just look around. Also, what is the common ingredient in all processed foods? This is what is making people fat. Omega-6 integrates in body fat, easily oxidized and unstable, rendering our own fat inaccessible for energy, so we're chronically hungry, tired, and inflamed. Than add in sugar and salt for hyperpalability. We've been hacked. Seed oils are nothing more than industrial waste sold as food for profits.
- open0 5y ago
  Chia and flax seeds are some of the best sources of Omega-3s...
  - lambdaba 5y ago
    Flax doesn't have omega-3, but alpha-linolenic acid, which depending on your genetics you might not be able to convert to omega-3 sufficiently (see rs174547 gene). Sufficient omega-3 intake doesn't entirely mitigate the ills from omega-6 anyway, and there are other toxins in seed oils as well.
- knuthsat 5y ago
  Just like meat is not toxic, neither is seed oil. I've been eating large amounts (~1000kcal a day) of flaxseed oil, olive oil, pumpkin seed oil, coconut oil and there has been no ill-effect on my cardiovascular or general health at all, after years of doing that. This orthorexic behavior by labeling certain foods as unhealthy or healthy is the real problem. Any kind of diet needs to be accompanied by a proper lifestyle. Eating a high calorie diet and then not having any physical activity is just asking for a bunch of metabolic issues. Particular food item is not healthy or unhealthy, toxic or rejuvenating. It's the lifestyle+diet that can be labeled as healthy/unhealthy.
  - lambdaba 5y ago
    You're evidently misinformed, I've provided references (see Dr. Cate Shanahan for one) here regarding seed oils. There is no doubt they are toxic. Glad you're healthy, but look around you. These are the worst ones: Canola, Corn, Cottonseed Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran. Also, olives and coconuts are fruits. This idea that physical activity will balance out an unhealthy diet is wrong and has been proven wrong by decades of people attempting just that. It doesn't work. Once your metabolism is damaged by your diet, no amount of physical activity (if you can muster it) will fix it.
    - knuthsat 5y ago
      How am I misinformed? These doctors are exhibiting and supporting orthorexic behavior. I'm surely not going to listen to them. There's a bunch of papers on Neu5Gc, should I start being scared of meat toxicity? Diet containing seed oils can be healthy. Nowhere have I made an argument that an unhealthy diet will be countered by physical activity.
      - lambdaba 5y ago
        You keep saying "orthorexic" and I keep saying "toxic", up to you to look up the info which is abundant.
        5y ago

ainiriand 5y ago

The WHO directly said that meat is an important contributor to many forms of cancer: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenic... The problem here is that everyone takes the info they want and discards the rest. Eating meat is not problematic, if done moderately. But nowadays there is not such moderation. There is meat in every meal. Fake burgers are probably not healthy too, but this is not proven yet. Just be moderate with what you eat.

lambdaba 5y ago
This is all based on awfully bad epidemiological studies. Humans were eating MUCH more meat for most of our evolutionary past. Look how unhealthy we are now, and we aren't eating more meat. We're eating more plant fats and sugar. There is literally nothing unhealthy in eating meat, not more for us than for a lion.
- jacobmischka 5y ago
  Lions, and our ancestors, ate much leaner grass fed animals compared to our factory-fattened cows and pigs. I don't believe hunter gatherers were eating meat with 15-20% fat content as often as Americans eat burgers.
  - lambdaba 5y ago
    On the contrary, fat is prized by hunter-gatherers and humans likely had access to much more fat (megafauna) for much of our evolutionary history. Fat allowed us to supply for the high energy needs of our brains. This isn't my own speculation but collated from various sources, I can provide if interested just don't have them on hand.
    - jacobmischka 5y ago
      Yes, it was certainly prized because of its high calorie content and relative scarcity compared to today, when one can have a virtually unlimited supply. That's why it tastes good.