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> Furthermore there is emerging evidence that vegetarianism is often not an ethical choice What is this evidence? And, you didn’t really answer the question.

> Furthermore there is emerging evidence that vegetarianism is often not an ethical choice What is this evidence? And, you didn’t really answer the question. Would you be fine with my stunning a dog, slitting it’s throat, and boiling it alive? I’m well aware of how culturally acceptable it is in other places, but i’m not asking that. Im asking if you’re cool if I do that to a dog.

Kranar 5y ago
I absolutely answered your question fully and honestly and I am disappointed you won't recognize that because it suggests you're not discussing this in good faith. You asked if my position applies equally to dogs and my exact answer was, and I quote: "So to answer your question, in principle it absolutely applies to dogs..." If I misunderstood your question then you can rephrase it. If your question wasn't about rational and ethical arguments about meat consumption, but instead personal feelings and emotions, then sure I can fully admit I am personally not cool with you going out and killing a dog because the scenario you present comes with a cultural and emotional context that I am predisposed against having been raised in the Western world. If the purpose of your argument was that you're against killing animals for emotional reasons, then I actually respect that and have nothing against you feeling that way and encouraging others who feel the way you do to consume a vegan diet. I think there are numerous benefits to a vegan diet, I just don't think the argument you made that we should choose it primarily on the basis that killing an animal is intrinsically violent in and of itself is a rational argument. It's a perfectly fine emotional and cultural reason to do it, and those are good reasons, but it's not a strong rational reason in so far as the arguments you've presented have not been rational. Finally to answer your question about genetics, here is some further reading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/03/30/cornell-study-finds-some-people-may-be-genetically-programmed-to-be-vegetarians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/0... https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-291 https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-291 https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/06/modern-european-genes-may-favor-vegetarianism https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/06/modern-european-gen...

Kranar 5y ago

I absolutely answered your question fully and honestly and I am disappointed you won't recognize that because it suggests you're not discussing this in good faith. You asked if my position applies equally to dogs and my exact answer was, and I quote: "So to answer your question, in principle it absolutely applies to dogs..." If I misunderstood your question then you can rephrase it. If your question wasn't about rational and ethical arguments about meat consumption, but instead personal feelings and emotions, then sure I can fully admit I am personally not cool with you going out and killing a dog because the scenario you present comes with a cultural and emotional context that I am predisposed against having been raised in the Western world. If the purpose of your argument was that you're against killing animals for emotional reasons, then I actually respect that and have nothing against you feeling that way and encouraging others who feel the way you do to consume a vegan diet. I think there are numerous benefits to a vegan diet, I just don't think the argument you made that we should choose it primarily on the basis that killing an animal is intrinsically violent in and of itself is a rational argument. It's a perfectly fine emotional and cultural reason to do it, and those are good reasons, but it's not a strong rational reason in so far as the arguments you've presented have not been rational. Finally to answer your question about genetics, here is some further reading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/03/30/cornell-study-finds-some-people-may-be-genetically-programmed-to-be-vegetarians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/0... https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-291 https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-291 https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/06/modern-european-genes-may-favor-vegetarianism https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/06/modern-european-gen...