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WTF is this shit? Blame the victimhood? If you’re living in an unjust world, the solution might not actually come from within; perhaps we could modify it someh

by hyko 5y ago

WTF is this shit? Blame the victimhood? If you’re living in an unjust world, the solution might not actually come from within; perhaps we could modify it somehow? Don’t bet the farm on findings from psychology.

SilverRed 5y ago
Telling someone they are a victim and there is nothing they can possibly do to better their situation is not a helpful or productive action. You end up with entire generations who believe there is no point trying because its all pointless since they are a victim to something that happened generations ago.
- open0 5y ago
  > Telling someone they are a victim and there is nothing they can possibly do to better their situation is not a helpful or productive action. Who is telling people that they are victims? Who thinks that being a victim means that it's 100% outside of that person's control? These are the straw-men that so many dumb comments here are based on. There are real victims in the world and most of the time they're just trying to tell their stories, only to get constant derision from idiots in cesspools like Hacker News.
  - melff 5y ago
    > Who is telling people that they are victims? just to name two examples: many feminists are telling women that they are oppressed (=victimized) by "the patriarchy" and a lot of people are claiming that black people are still systemically oppressed (=victimized) in the USA. I'm not claiming that those examples are true or false, I want to show that this is not a straw man. > There are real victims in the world indeed there are but this article (and the comments) are not about them.
melff 5y ago
I think you misunderstand what people the article is referring to. Victims are largely irrelevant, this is about people who (like to/have a tendency to) feel or see themselves as victims.
- hyko 5y ago
  arguing it “emerged from the contentious politics of the 1960s, specifically the civil rights movement and its aftermath This framing has nothing to do with individual psychology, it’s trying to make a political point.

by hyko 5y ago

SilverRed 5y ago

Telling someone they are a victim and there is nothing they can possibly do to better their situation is not a helpful or productive action. You end up with entire generations who believe there is no point trying because its all pointless since they are a victim to something that happened generations ago.

open0 5y ago
> Telling someone they are a victim and there is nothing they can possibly do to better their situation is not a helpful or productive action. Who is telling people that they are victims? Who thinks that being a victim means that it's 100% outside of that person's control? These are the straw-men that so many dumb comments here are based on. There are real victims in the world and most of the time they're just trying to tell their stories, only to get constant derision from idiots in cesspools like Hacker News.
- melff 5y ago
  > Who is telling people that they are victims? just to name two examples: many feminists are telling women that they are oppressed (=victimized) by "the patriarchy" and a lot of people are claiming that black people are still systemically oppressed (=victimized) in the USA. I'm not claiming that those examples are true or false, I want to show that this is not a straw man. > There are real victims in the world indeed there are but this article (and the comments) are not about them.

melff 5y ago

I think you misunderstand what people the article is referring to. Victims are largely irrelevant, this is about people who (like to/have a tendency to) feel or see themselves as victims.

hyko 5y ago
arguing it “emerged from the contentious politics of the 1960s, specifically the civil rights movement and its aftermath This framing has nothing to do with individual psychology, it’s trying to make a political point.