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The kid who returned user's passed hash -- he could have simply learned more about better programming practices no? You make it sound like it's a crime and he's
by hzay 5y ago
The kid who returned user's passed hash -- he could have simply learned more about better programming practices no? You make it sound like it's a crime and he's inherently flawed. But all of us did dumb mistakes in school/college in our early programming days, and then most of us learned not to do them.
- hardwaregeek 5y agoYeah that was maybe not the best example. Although I did explain it to him a couple times and he still didn't get it. He also didn't do his share of work but of course took credit for the accomplishments of the group in his college applications. What I was trying to point it is that these students used these supposedly impressive accomplishments in the college applications when really they didn't do much at all.
- WalterBright 5y ago> when really they didn't do much at all That's where the in-person interview comes in. It's a lot harder to fake one's way through that.
- hardwaregeek 5y agoThe in person interview has little to no bearing on your application. It can provide a minor positive boost but no negative value. Besides, the interviewers I had were all nice enough people but definitely possible to trick or BS.
- WalterBright 5y agoEven if one asks probing questions about the project the candidate lied about doing?
- ryandrake 5y agoSo, the technical interviewer says “no hire.” But the VP (who went to the candidate’s alma mater) says yes. And the Director who knows the candidate’s uncle from the country club says yes. And the candidate really laid it on thick for the hiring manager who has the final say. What did the tech nerd say, again? It increasingly feels like the world’s reward systems have been captured by and saturated with these charming phonies who only know how to game the system. Put all your skill points into charisma and people will just hand you money and opportunities. I’ve spent my whole career perpetually a couple of rungs down the totem pole from these well-pedigreed charmers, and hear them talk their smooth, but ultimately empty talk over and over. Whether it’s college applications or job applications, the longer I go at it, the more convinced I am that the ability to “seem like the right kind of successful sort of person” gives you the best results. Better than track record, better than demonstrable skills, better than potential and willingness to do hard work.
- GPerson 5y agoI feel palpable despair about this. For me it has tended to imply that the work itself is not valuable, for otherwise the incentive system would be corrected quickly.
- tlqsb 5y agoWhat would be the corrective factor? The charismatic oligarchy has inserted itself between the productive people and the money. The Gervais principle is a thing. The charismatic CEO is helped by the 90% mediocre employees, who like the system. The 10% productive employees are exploited and shouted down. All that the 10% can do is change jobs or start a company.
- GPerson 5y agoI guess I long to work on teams where the outcome and the actual activity of working on the project are the primary motivators for the people involved, and not the associated status or credit gain. So when I said it seems to imply the work is not valuable, I meant in the view of the people working.
- hardwaregeek 5y agoOh lemme clarify. I thought you were talking about college interviews. If we're talking about job interviews then certainly they can cut through someone's BS.
- abstractbarista 5y agoWorking with these people in college was rather frustrating at times. I always did good work, started working on projects early and often. Because I knew programming a solution is sort of an unknown until you really dive in to it. Many students got better grades than they deserved because I was in their group. They were great people, just horrible team mates.