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You're overgeneralizing. The data showed that it can be learned through trauma or PTSD experiences, but to claim "It is not learned by simple teaching and seein

You're overgeneralizing. The data showed that it can be learned through trauma or PTSD experiences, but to claim "It is not learned by simple teaching and seeing others attitudes" is not defensible. Based on the researcher's comments about kindergarteners, they seem to think it can be learned through simple teaching.

magicalist 5y ago
> Based on the researcher's comments about kindergarteners, they seem to think... In this situation, one thing is supported by data, the other is inferred from what you think the researcher thinks. Generally this forum looks down more on "they're indoctrinating our children with X!" claims without some actual data.
- roflc0ptic 5y ago
  I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying the study as represented doesn't support claiming it's false, and that the researchers words support my position.
addicted 5y ago
Except they have no evidence for it, so I’m not sure why we should be bothered what they might “think”. There’s also little a priori reason to believe that might be true.
- roflc0ptic 5y ago
  I think there's a lot of a priori reason to believe that might be true. The phenomenon of vicarious traumatization points to a mechanism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization#:~:text=Vicarious%20traumatization%20(VT)%20is%20a,to%20the%20client's%20traumatic%20material https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization#:~:te....
- username90 5y ago
  > There’s also little a priori reason to believe that might be true. What? You don't believe that constantly telling someone they are a victim during their entire childhood can make them feel like a victim? There are really no a priori reasons to believe that such a thing could be true? You could argue that there are little evidence for it, but you can't argue there are no a priori reasons for it being true. If I take a white kid and tell that white kid that he is a victim of black oppression, do you think that the kid will be more or less likely to feel like a victim of black oppression?

magicalist 5y ago

> Based on the researcher's comments about kindergarteners, they seem to think... In this situation, one thing is supported by data, the other is inferred from what you think the researcher thinks. Generally this forum looks down more on "they're indoctrinating our children with X!" claims without some actual data.

roflc0ptic 5y ago
I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying the study as represented doesn't support claiming it's false, and that the researchers words support my position.

addicted 5y ago

Except they have no evidence for it, so I’m not sure why we should be bothered what they might “think”. There’s also little a priori reason to believe that might be true.

roflc0ptic 5y ago
I think there's a lot of a priori reason to believe that might be true. The phenomenon of vicarious traumatization points to a mechanism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization#:~:text=Vicarious%20traumatization%20(VT)%20is%20a,to%20the%20client's%20traumatic%20material https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization#:~:te....
username90 5y ago
> There’s also little a priori reason to believe that might be true. What? You don't believe that constantly telling someone they are a victim during their entire childhood can make them feel like a victim? There are really no a priori reasons to believe that such a thing could be true? You could argue that there are little evidence for it, but you can't argue there are no a priori reasons for it being true. If I take a white kid and tell that white kid that he is a victim of black oppression, do you think that the kid will be more or less likely to feel like a victim of black oppression?