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Asking from my euro-centric point of view: is there really people still using MMS out there?

swiley 6y ago
Yes, there are probably more people globally using matrix but MMS is the defacto messaging app here since it's free if you have a phone (especially since people on iPhones think Apples texting app is MMS.) Also, like I said: you can already use matrix on Linux.
dahfizz 6y ago
Its the only reliable way (for me) to have group chats with people. Every third party service is platform dependent - everyone must have an iphone, or everyone must be on facebook, etc etc. The only thing that everyone actually has in common is that they all have a phone number.
- chaosharmonic 6y ago
  Plus, several chat services effectively double as SMS clients via their fallback options, which compounds with the fact that RCS implementation here is wildly inconsistent -- especially the moment you factor in iOS.
serverholic 6y ago
Yes. All of my friends use MMS.
blendergeek 6y ago
MMS is the only open, federated, chat system that everybody has access to. Given that Purism wants to provide a fully open source alternative to the Facebook/Whatsapp walled gardens, I'd say that providing the already existing, open, interoperable chat solution that everybody already has is pretty important. When Matrix comes to my phone, I gain the ability to message with zero of my normal non-tech friends. When MMS comes to my phone I gain the ability to message with ALL of my normal, non-tech friends -- even those who "don't use" MMS. Why? Because, every phone plane includes MMS.
ryukafalz 6y ago
The trouble with not having MMS in the US is that it's a "lowest common denominator" type service: not everyone uses it, but everyone expects you to be able to use it. People will be surprised if they send you a photo or group message and you don't see it, and notably, they also can't tell if you were able to see it or not.
- swiley 6y ago
  You do see it right now, it just shows up as garbage and you stop getting messages after that.

Yes, there are probably more people globally using matrix but MMS is the defacto messaging app here since it's free if you have a phone (especially since people on iPhones think Apples texting app is MMS.) Also, like I said: you can already use matrix on Linux.

dahfizz 6y ago

Its the only reliable way (for me) to have group chats with people. Every third party service is platform dependent - everyone must have an iphone, or everyone must be on facebook, etc etc. The only thing that everyone actually has in common is that they all have a phone number.

chaosharmonic 6y ago
Plus, several chat services effectively double as SMS clients via their fallback options, which compounds with the fact that RCS implementation here is wildly inconsistent -- especially the moment you factor in iOS.

serverholic 6y ago

Yes. All of my friends use MMS.

blendergeek 6y ago

MMS is the only open, federated, chat system that everybody has access to. Given that Purism wants to provide a fully open source alternative to the Facebook/Whatsapp walled gardens, I'd say that providing the already existing, open, interoperable chat solution that everybody already has is pretty important. When Matrix comes to my phone, I gain the ability to message with zero of my normal non-tech friends. When MMS comes to my phone I gain the ability to message with ALL of my normal, non-tech friends -- even those who "don't use" MMS. Why? Because, every phone plane includes MMS.

ryukafalz 6y ago

The trouble with not having MMS in the US is that it's a "lowest common denominator" type service: not everyone uses it, but everyone expects you to be able to use it. People will be surprised if they send you a photo or group message and you don't see it, and notably, they also can't tell if you were able to see it or not.

swiley 6y ago
You do see it right now, it just shows up as garbage and you stop getting messages after that.