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It’s truly hard to overstate what a ridiculous position you have staked out here with this argument. You’ve picked some arbitrary definition of what it means t

by mhoad 5y ago

It’s truly hard to overstate what a ridiculous position you have staked out here with this argument. You’ve picked some arbitrary definition of what it means to be a victim based on god only knows what philosophy or life experience and then tried to state it as some kind of objective fact or enlightened wisdom.

WalterBright 5y ago
> ridiculous position I'm well aware of how other people perceive it. It's completely contrary to the barrage of what I call "cult of the victim" that spews forth from nearly all media. I don't expect to change your mind. But give it a chance. For example, A man falls down the stairs and breaks his leg. Victim: "I'm so unlucky, my leg broke. Oh, life is so unfair." Non-Victim: "Phew, I'm so lucky! I could have broken my neck! My broken leg will heal and I'll be fine. Next time I won't leave my toys laying on the steps." Walter: "I put carpet on the stairs so I wouldn't slip on them. I go jogging to (in part) increase bone density so they are less likely to break."
- mhoad 5y ago
  Listen I’m glad this approach seems to work to you and I hope it might even get you through some dark times one day, but there is a reason you are using contrived child like examples here, it’s because it doesn’t hold up to anything remotely dark. What life lessons do you want for the parent of a child who was sexually abused for example? Are they allowed to feel like a victim? What about the child?
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- Diogenetics 5y ago
  "‘He insulted me, hit me, beat me, robbed me’–for those who brood on this, hostility isn’t stilled. "‘He insulted me, hit me, beat me, robbed me’–for those who don’t brood on this, hostility is stilled. "Hostilities aren’t stilled through hostility, regardless. "Hostilities are stilled through non-hostility: this, an unending truth. "Unlike those who don’t realize that we’re here on the verge of perishing, those who do: their quarrels are stilled." --Dhammapada, ch. 1, circa 1st century common era (trans. Thanissaro Bhikkhu) https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Dhp/Ch01.html https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Dhp/Ch01.html
- anigbrowl 5y ago
  It's completely contrary to the barrage of what I call "cult of the victim" that spews forth from nearly all media. [Villain music]

by mhoad 5y ago

WalterBright 5y ago

> ridiculous position I'm well aware of how other people perceive it. It's completely contrary to the barrage of what I call "cult of the victim" that spews forth from nearly all media. I don't expect to change your mind. But give it a chance. For example, A man falls down the stairs and breaks his leg. Victim: "I'm so unlucky, my leg broke. Oh, life is so unfair." Non-Victim: "Phew, I'm so lucky! I could have broken my neck! My broken leg will heal and I'll be fine. Next time I won't leave my toys laying on the steps." Walter: "I put carpet on the stairs so I wouldn't slip on them. I go jogging to (in part) increase bone density so they are less likely to break."

mhoad 5y ago
Listen I’m glad this approach seems to work to you and I hope it might even get you through some dark times one day, but there is a reason you are using contrived child like examples here, it’s because it doesn’t hold up to anything remotely dark. What life lessons do you want for the parent of a child who was sexually abused for example? Are they allowed to feel like a victim? What about the child?
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Diogenetics 5y ago
"‘He insulted me, hit me, beat me, robbed me’–for those who brood on this, hostility isn’t stilled. "‘He insulted me, hit me, beat me, robbed me’–for those who don’t brood on this, hostility is stilled. "Hostilities aren’t stilled through hostility, regardless. "Hostilities are stilled through non-hostility: this, an unending truth. "Unlike those who don’t realize that we’re here on the verge of perishing, those who do: their quarrels are stilled." --Dhammapada, ch. 1, circa 1st century common era (trans. Thanissaro Bhikkhu) https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Dhp/Ch01.html https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Dhp/Ch01.html
anigbrowl 5y ago
It's completely contrary to the barrage of what I call "cult of the victim" that spews forth from nearly all media. [Villain music]