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It was never a coup attempt. Coup is a coordinated attack on all branches of government that makes it impossible for overthrown government to function. This can
by Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
It was never a coup attempt. Coup is a coordinated attack on all branches of government that makes it impossible for overthrown government to function. This cannot be achieved by angry mob breaching just one government building. Mob was never backed up by some organized force aimed to take over. Turkey 2016 was a coup attempt. This was just nonsense.
People who call it 'coup attempt' should isolate themselves form propaganda narratives they've been subjected to for the past years.
- dmead 6y agoSo it was a terrible coup attempt, but it was most definitely a coup attempt. They had plastic ties and a noose ready for the vice president and the speaker of the house (2nd and 3rd in line) to the presidency.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoDid they also have enough firepower to neutralise their armed security?
- recursive 6y agoEvidently. They made it into many secure areas and past the locked doors.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoJust because the security didn't use lethal weapons (except that one shot). And the reason they didn't use it is because there never was any real serious threat to anyone in power. So the fact that the mob got onto the building speaks only that the security preferred to let them in (fully understanding that everyone important is already evacuated) rather than killing them to prevent them from access. Once in the building the mob quickly figured out that they don't know what to do next, as was expected.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> So the fact that the mob got onto the building speaks only that the security preferred to let them in (fully understanding that everyone important is already evacuated) That’s...not true. The building was breached before members were evacuated. The breakthrough and shooting at the Speakers Lobby occurred, very shortly after that room was evacuated, and where the mob, if unchecked at the chokepoint through which they had just broken, would provide an imminent and overwhelming threat to both security personnel and innocents in the process of evacuating. Security lost control of the outer perimeter and did a collapsing bubble defense to maximize safety of the heavily outnumbered security personal and the ability to protect VIPs and other innocents who had not been evacuated.
- ErikVandeWater 6y agoSecurity didn't even use tear gas.
- krapp 6y agoThey didn't need it, capitol police were largely on their side. If it had been BLM, they would have shot to kill.
- ineedasername 6y agoAbility to succeed doesn't really factor into what was attempted. That is in the mind & intentions of those who were involved & instigated it. Some people were very much acting with the intent to stop the transfer of power. If you believe that successfully stopping that transfer would be a coup, then the actions of 1/6 were a coup attempt.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoSo, every time a few drunk people decide that they want government out and get in a brawl with the police qualifies as a coup attempt?
- klmadfejno 6y agoIf patheticness is an important qualifier, I think breaching the capitol building suffices.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoThe real patheticness here is the desire to call a riot with a more politically charged term "coup attempt", just because it pleases you to further vilify your political opponents. I watched the whole thing live. It was messy at times, but it was clear as day that the mob didn't have neither a plan nor a command structure. Once they got into the chamber, they just chatted with guards! Or, in that shaman's case, just blessed everyone around.
- Spooky23 6y agoWhen they bring the gallows, improvised weapons, gear to take hostages to a Capitol, yes.
- ErikVandeWater 6y agoThey didn't bring any guns. How can you seriously believe they tried to take over the government by force in the most heavily armed country in the world, and not bring any guns?