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Mostly Brottsforebyggande Rådet. You have to dig into their statistics though because they tend to like publishing what looks good. Edit: Also personal experie

Mostly Brottsforebyggande Rådet. You have to dig into their statistics though because they tend to like publishing what looks good. Edit: Also personal experience, unfortunately. Edit 2: > Where are you getting the data that recidivism rates are close to 100%? Recidivism rates for people with a few convictions.

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klyrs 5y ago
Begging the question. People with "a few convictions" are certainly going to have a high rate of recidivism, by definition.
- JI00912 5y ago
  Not at all. We might for example see recidivism drop off after a few convictions. That would be the case if prison could reeducate people.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    I'd expect recidivism to be low after a single conviction if the system works. But you can't teach an unwilling student, so frequent fliers will keep coming back.
    - jolux 5y ago
      Exactly, it’s important to remember the overall recidivism rate is much lower than the US’s. Unfortunately I think some amount of crime is inevitable and is ultimately reflective of societal development or lack thereof. When you get to multiple convictions, the cost of letting someone go has to be balanced against the cost of incarcerating them permanently, and the relative harm they would cause over the rest of their life if they simply could not be socialized properly. Maybe we really should be locking them away forever. Maybe we shouldn’t. I don’t think we’re ready to have those discussions yet. Emotion and retribution still drive how we punish people, to a destructive extent. It’s clear we could still go much farther in liberalizing and reforming the penal system before these questions become the most important questions to answer.
jolux 5y ago
So you’re saying people who have committed a crime more than once tend to commit crimes more than once? This doesn’t sound particularly surprising.
- JI00912 5y ago
  I'm saying that once someone has a couple of convictions, the change that they will commit crime again is about 100%, which sadly goes against the nice idea that people in our prisons "return as reasonably normal members of the society".
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klyrs 5y ago

Begging the question. People with "a few convictions" are certainly going to have a high rate of recidivism, by definition.

JI00912 5y ago
Not at all. We might for example see recidivism drop off after a few convictions. That would be the case if prison could reeducate people.
- klyrs 5y ago
  I'd expect recidivism to be low after a single conviction if the system works. But you can't teach an unwilling student, so frequent fliers will keep coming back.
  - jolux 5y ago
    Exactly, it’s important to remember the overall recidivism rate is much lower than the US’s. Unfortunately I think some amount of crime is inevitable and is ultimately reflective of societal development or lack thereof. When you get to multiple convictions, the cost of letting someone go has to be balanced against the cost of incarcerating them permanently, and the relative harm they would cause over the rest of their life if they simply could not be socialized properly. Maybe we really should be locking them away forever. Maybe we shouldn’t. I don’t think we’re ready to have those discussions yet. Emotion and retribution still drive how we punish people, to a destructive extent. It’s clear we could still go much farther in liberalizing and reforming the penal system before these questions become the most important questions to answer.

jolux 5y ago

So you’re saying people who have committed a crime more than once tend to commit crimes more than once? This doesn’t sound particularly surprising.

JI00912 5y ago
I'm saying that once someone has a couple of convictions, the change that they will commit crime again is about 100%, which sadly goes against the nice idea that people in our prisons "return as reasonably normal members of the society".
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